View Full Version : Subotic (R) Mainz vs. BMoench, 8/24
golazo68
24 Aug 2007, 04:53 PM
4-1 winners in a route.
Nevan goes 90 minutes.
4 starts in a row...rated well in the first 3. The kid is still 18 for a few months, and Klopp (who is known as a smart coach) loves his potential.
Q: Since he is so young, even if he played a full international, he could still switch? Or what is the rule exactly (I'm confused after the recent Adu articles).
Nevan keeps this up- and Bosnia WILL call. And maybe sooner (late this year?) than later....
rpi-fan
24 Aug 2007, 04:56 PM
Thanks for the update. Keep posted if there's any reviews of his play.
If he plays in a COMPETITIVE full international game he is cap-tied no matter what. If he plays in a NON-COMPETITIVE full international it has no bearing on his status (someone confirm this please?).
If he plays in a COMPETITIVE youth international game he can switch before his 21st birthday. If he plays in a NON-COMPETITIVE youth international it has no bearing on his status.
golazo68
24 Aug 2007, 05:27 PM
Thanks for the update. Keep posted if there's any reviews of his play.
If he plays in a COMPETITIVE full international game he is cap-tied no matter what. If he plays in a NON-COMPETITIVE full international it has no bearing on his status (someone confirm this please?).
If he plays in a COMPETITIVE youth international game he can switch before his 21st birthday. If he plays in a NON-COMPETITIVE youth international it has no bearing on his status.
If Brazil counts, I really think US should cap the kid. Hell, even if it doesn't count, he deserves some recognition for doing a great job (breaking into Mainz lineup).
Before people blast me, Subotic deserves this based on (1) performance, given the number of youngsters we've capped in recent months and (2) there is a legitimate 'who will he play for' issue...and why in the world would quality-depth poor US want to risk losing another 'on the fence' guy. It is absolutely possible that Bosnia could call him up within less than 6 months. Why risk it?
Sandon Mibut
24 Aug 2007, 05:41 PM
If Brazil counts, I really think US should cap the kid. Hell, even if it doesn't count, he deserves some recognition for doing a great job (breaking into Mainz lineup).
Before people blast me, Subotic deserves this based on (1) performance, given the number of youngsters we've capped in recent months and (2) there is a legitimate 'who will he play for' issue...and why in the world would quality-depth poor US want to risk losing another 'on the fence' guy. It is absolutely possible that Bosnia could call him up within less than 6 months. Why risk it?If Sal Zizzo gets a cap without playing a pro game and Lee Nguyen gets a couple of caps while being relegated to the PSV reserves and Charlie Davies gets capped without scoring a pro goal, then I don't think it's unreasonable to cap Subotic, given what he's done the past few games with Mainz.
The fact that he's 6-4 and could play for Bosnia factors into it, too. Why risk losing the kid? Show him we're interested and start getting him experience. Doensn't mean he'll be ahead of Gooch and Boca and Parkhurst and Conrad, et all... but he should be in the mix.
sidefootsitter
24 Aug 2007, 05:55 PM
Let's not forget that the 4:1 result was against the recently relegated (big club) Mönchengladbach, who still has some talent on that roster like Oliver Neuville (aging but still made Germany's WC roster in 2006) and that Mainz still has some talent leftover from its two-year B-liga run as well.
afgrijselijkheid
24 Aug 2007, 06:06 PM
If Sal Zizzo gets a cap without playing a pro game and Lee Nguyen gets a couple of caps while being relegated to the PSV reserves and Charlie Davies gets capped without scoring a pro goal, then I don't think it's unreasonable to cap Subotic, given what he's done the past few games with Mainz.
Actually, Charlie has one UEFA Cup goal.
Principal Firebush
24 Aug 2007, 06:07 PM
Yeah, cap him. I don't anticipate a big argument here, who wouldn't want to cap a talented young defender that could potentially play for another country? We're so quick to cap forwards that show any promise but central defense is just as much of a problem.
flux82
24 Aug 2007, 06:11 PM
Apparently, he has developed a little better than Rongen judged after seeing him in one game. ;)
ussoccerFan12358
24 Aug 2007, 06:12 PM
Honestly, I've been a but dissapointed with our D as of late, so I think this kid really deserves a camp, I'd say play him against Switzerland to cap-tie him, and see what he can do. Brazil should be an evaluation of our A team against the best in the world, and then we can experiment a lot against Catalonia, and take what we want from that game into Switzerland.
So put simply, call him in in October.
fitbaed
24 Aug 2007, 06:33 PM
Where did he play his youth ball? was he a residency kid?
golazo68
24 Aug 2007, 06:37 PM
Honestly, I've been a but dissapointed with our D as of late, so I think this kid really deserves a camp, I'd say play him against Switzerland to cap-tie him, and see what he can do. Brazil should be an evaluation of our A team against the best in the world, and then we can experiment a lot against Catalonia, and take what we want from that game into Switzerland.
So put simply, call him in in October.
True..the Swiss might make more sense for his cup of coffee.
No sense having the kid do the 'round trip if he's not going to play much and we have another cap opportunity just a month later.
My concern is that Bradley doesn't try this year. That would actually be kindof ridiculous given the names/situations Sandon listed.
Here's an interview with Neven from 9 days ago:
http://www.main-rheiner.de/sport/objekt.php3?artikel_id=2931198
I don't have time to translate everything right now, but important parts:
During the war you came to Germany and played football in the E-youth. After you emigrated to the USA however you didn't play organised football anymore and only started to do so again when you signed with Mainz. How do you judge your development?
I wasted a few years, didn't I? On the other hand you never know what would have happend if I played all my youth for one club. It even was an advantage for me that I didn't know the meaning of derbies last season. (Don't really get the meaning in the context of the question to be honest.) And it's obvious that America made me to the person I am today.
You have an American passport, do you feel American?
No, I am a bosnian Serb. I don't forget where I was born. It was nice that our game against TuS Koblenz was shown in Serbia. We had so many "Jugos" playing I guess they had to do it.
Well, if you search German google you'll find quite a lot articles about him. I guess it's because it's very unusual for a 18-year old CB to start for a Bundesliga or 2. Bundesliga site.
In one of those Klopp says about him:
"He still needs to improve reading the game but he already plays a superb long ball." and another article says "he's blessed with a presence and charisma that you can't teach."
http://mainz-online.de/on/07/08/14/sport/r/mainz1_.jpg
Sandon Mibut
24 Aug 2007, 06:48 PM
Apparently, he has developed a little better than Rongen judged after seeing him in one game. ;)Got that right.
onefineesq
24 Aug 2007, 06:53 PM
Here's an interview with Neven from 9 days ago:
http://www.main-rheiner.de/sport/objekt.php3?artikel_id=2931198(snip)
You have an American passport, do you feel American?
No, I am a bosnian Serb. I don't forget where I was born. It was nice that our game against TuS Koblenz was shown in Serbia. We had so many "Jugos" playing I guess they had to do it
(snip)
http://mainz-online.de/on/07/08/14/sport/r/mainz1_.jpg Uh-oh. As an American who hopes to keep apparently talented players, that's not a good sign.
Uh-oh. As an American who hopes to keep apparently talented players, that's not a good sign.
On the other hand he seems thankfull for the chance the US offered him.
It could really depend on which federation shows more interest. There are rumours here that the Croatian and Serbian federation offer quite a bit of money to persuade young players to play for them. I kinda doubt the Bosnian federation has equal means.
Former German youth international Kucukovic recently chose to play for Bosnia and fellow Mainz 05 talent Vrancic had said he will play for Croatia despite Germany really wanting him.
scholes181818
24 Aug 2007, 07:42 PM
"You have an American passport, do you feel American?
No, I am a bosnian Serb. I don't forget where I was born."
I really thought that the US was the first choice for this guy, but that quote makes me think he won't be playing for us.
ussoccerFan12358
24 Aug 2007, 07:48 PM
There's only one way to know how or if at all American he feels, call him up for the Switzerland game.
And as far as money goes I think the USSF some decent change laying around somewhere.
Kevin8833
24 Aug 2007, 07:52 PM
What style defender is he? How good is he really? Any video on him or anything?
superdave
24 Aug 2007, 08:33 PM
Um, unless I've got this mixed up, Bosnia is a separate country now, and the Serbs are the minority, and probably not very well liked. Is this guy Serbian Orthodox? I would presume so. Bosnia is a predominantly Muslim country.
If my recollection of recent Balkan history is correct, he's not gonna be thrilled about playing for Bosnia. Notice the remark he made about the game being shown in Serbia. Not Bosnia, Serbia.
FirstStar
24 Aug 2007, 08:44 PM
Um, unless I've got this mixed up, Bosnia is a separate country now, and the Serbs are the minority, and probably not very well liked. Is this guy Serbian Orthodox? I would presume so. Bosnia is a predominantly Muslim country.
If my recollection of recent Balkan history is correct, he's not gonna be thrilled about playing for Bosnia. Notice the remark he made about the game being shown in Serbia. Not Bosnia, Serbia.
Bingo. Good question whether they would even call him into a Bosnian camp. There's a few thousand years bad blood there.
I hope Bob doesn't ask Rongen to call him. Or better yet, ask Rongen to do and and force Rongen to tell Nevin how wrong he was.