View Full Version : Platini: Domestic Cup winners to qualify for Champions League
pc4th
24 Aug 2007, 06:22 AM
http://football.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,2155420,00.html
Under Platini's proposal the three leading nations will retain four entrants, with three based on league position and the fourth coming from the FA Cup. The proposal has the support of national associations including the FA, who would benefit from having a Champions League place effectively in their gift.
Good idea? or Bad idea?
The Jitty Slitter
24 Aug 2007, 07:37 AM
http://football.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,2155420,00.html
Good idea? or Bad idea?
good. i like the fact that more is riding on the cup
mattteo
24 Aug 2007, 08:03 AM
excellent idea, but I'd prefer if they also take one spot off (not just to the big 3....to every country except those who only have 1)
Spion Kopite
24 Aug 2007, 09:12 AM
In England it will make NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever. The cup winners in the last half dozen years have been Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd, Arsenal, Arsenal, Liverpool.
Karloski
24 Aug 2007, 11:58 AM
http://football.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,2155420,00.html
Good idea? or Bad idea?
Bad.
It would probably make the domestic cup more important than the league to the usual mid-table clubs. You would probably see managers resting players in league games to get them ready for the big 'cup' game. The league should always be the priority. I don' like it.
blackjack
24 Aug 2007, 12:18 PM
In England it will make NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever. The cup winners in the last half dozen years have been Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd, Arsenal, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea
When we won for the first time on that list (and you seem to have forgotten who won it last season), we were not among the "big four." It absolutely can make a difference. We all saw how close West Ham came to winning in 2006, as well.
blackjack
24 Aug 2007, 12:20 PM
Bad.
It would probably make the domestic cup more important than the league to the usual mid-table clubs. You would probably see managers resting players in league games to get them ready for the big 'cup' game. The league should always be the priority. I don' like it.
Teams that are solidly rooted in mid-table already do that from time to time. Clubs toward the bottom won't do it because it's a lot more important to stay up than to enter the CL, and upper-level teams won't do it because they already have a chance to make the CL via the league. I don't see a problem.
Karloski
24 Aug 2007, 12:34 PM
Teams that are solidly rooted in mid-table already do that from time to time. Clubs toward the bottom won't do it because it's a lot more important to stay up than to enter the CL, and upper-level teams won't do it because they already have a chance to make the CL via the league. I don't see a problem.
What if a team like Everton or Tottenham etc, start to progress, and begin getting into the coverted fourth spot now and again. But because of the rule change, a club that has just survived relegation (but gone on a flukey cup run) nicks the other CL spot. That's a massive slap in the face. It's hard enough trying to break into the top 4, breaking into the top 3 would raise the bar tenfold for these clubs..
lanman
24 Aug 2007, 02:03 PM
The whole idea is utter rubbish. A team could theoretically qualify for the Champions League by playing one or two (or even zero) top flight teams depending on the draw and doesn't necessarily have to have won a single game in open play. The Champions League is supposed to contain the best sides from around Europe, and the best sides are determined by league play with a balanced schedule.
CDSANTACLARA
24 Aug 2007, 08:49 PM
Imagine a thrid division team in the CL
pc4th
24 Aug 2007, 11:50 PM
Imagine a thrid division team in the CL
When was the last time that a third division team win the domestic cup in Italy, Spain and England?
Forget third division. HOW ABOUT SECOND DIVISION?
pc4th
24 Aug 2007, 11:57 PM
Since the formation of the Premier League in 1992.
Clubs that won the FA Cup
Arsenal: 5 times
Manchester United: 4 times
Liverpool: 3 times
Chelsea: 3 times
Everton: 1 time (beat Manchester United in the final)
zippy85
25 Aug 2007, 05:29 AM
I prefer the way it already is, this method makes sure the best possible teams will represent their leagues in Europes two yearly competitions although Uefa cup is a losers competition which is why less people watch it and the Champions League i for winners which attracts the highest majority of football viewership :)
ji44er
26 Aug 2007, 04:16 AM
Silly idea. None of the teams would not be focusing on the league anymore.
History is not on the other teams side, Chelsea Liverpool Arsenal Man Utd have won it for the pass 11 years.Teams should earn there from the league, not through just winning 6 knockout games.I also think if any of the top four teams who are in the FA Cup final, there will just win it again.
Clan
26 Aug 2007, 06:34 AM
It is thought that if the Cup winners have already qualified for the Champions League via their league position, the fourth place would revert to the club that came fourth in the league.
If it comes to pass - which it very well may, anybody that thinks that Platini won't chance things as they are now, is not in tune with how he thinks - it will make bugger all difference to our clubs.
Let him do as he wishes, it'll (perhaps) just make it easier for us to win it by having a lesser field to compete with :D
Drogo
26 Aug 2007, 04:21 PM
I think this sounds good, and people, I think the Cup-winner won't be directly qualified for the CL, it will just be entering qualification.
blanc
27 Aug 2007, 12:52 AM
Don't agree; using just the EPL, imagine if the 'Big Four' became a 'Big Three'?
Wowz0rs.
Templinho
28 Aug 2007, 06:34 AM
It's a bad idea for a number of reasons, all of which have been mentioned above.
Why don't UEFA do the blindingly obvious thing and hand a Champions League (or at least Qualifying Round) spot to the UEFA Cup winners? Not only would it reinvigorate interest in a diminished competition, it would enhance the profile of domestic cups, which offer UEFA Cup qualification themselves.
With the UEFA Cup being a second-tier competition, it is only logical that at least the champions should be promoted.
It could hardly be argued that such clubs are not of Champions League standard, you just have to look down the list of winners for evidence of that (Valencia, Porto, Liverpool, Inter, Bayern and Ajax to name but a few).
SportBoy333
28 Aug 2007, 11:03 PM
Domestic Cup winners should qualify for...........The Cup Winners Cup !
blanc
29 Aug 2007, 06:30 AM
It's a bad idea for a number of reasons, all of which have been mentioned above.
Why don't UEFA do the blindingly obvious thing and hand a Champions League (or at least Qualifying Round) spot to the UEFA Cup winners? Not only would it reinvigorate interest in a diminished competition, it would enhance the profile of domestic cups, which offer UEFA Cup qualification themselves.
With the UEFA Cup being a second-tier competition, it is only logical that at least the champions should be promoted.
It could hardly be argued that such clubs are not of Champions League standard, you just have to look down the list of winners for evidence of that (Valencia, Porto, Liverpool, Inter, Bayern and Ajax to name but a few).
Great post and idea.