Juan sebastian Veron: News & Interviews

[efernandez9]

"No me gusta que me silben ni me dediquen banderas o cantos. En parte es entendible, porque después de un fracaso de equipo y personal no podía esperar que me aplaudieran de pie’, comentó Verón al diario La Nación de Buenos Aires.

El futbolista del Chelsea inglés, comentó que si bien entendía que desilusionó a la hinchada en el mundial, al que llegó mal futbolísticamente, los insultos fueron desmedidos, ya que ‘yo fracasé en lo deportivo pero no le metí la mano en el bolsillo a nadie’, aseguró.

La ‘Brujita’ expresó que tendrá que convivir con ese clima, aunque cree que los más importante es que las cosas marchen bien dentro del grupo de la selección, ‘si las cosas andan bien ahí, el resto va a ser más simple y nos vamos a poder integrar todos un poco mejor’, aseveró.

Según publica el diario, Verón aseguró que en lo deportivo siempre fue leal y siempre hizo todo para el bien del grupo, por lo que se siente tranquilo: ‘Nunca me imaginé que me podían tratar así. Yo no soy un vendido ni un traidor. Por eso no es algo que me toque o que me llegue’, expresó.

[jimone]

Just to lay the groudwork, I am a great admirer of Veron, or a Veronista, as the term is in Manchester. I was appalled when he was sold to Chelsea, as everything was falling into place for him to shine this season. The US tour was mouth watering, and van Nistelrooys goal against Juve showed Veron and him link together in a move that can best be described as performance art.
Anyhow, I am interested to know why he is getting such a hard time in Argentina, I believe he was booed every time he touched the ball v. Chile, and the fans were chanting 'Veron is an Englishman' which I presume is the ultimate insult over there.
Seems no way to treat a true artist of the game.

[efernandez9]

welcome here jimon, you answered yourself.....

plus the bad outting of the national team in *#*#*#/korea did not help much, as the argies also wanted the coach out, as well as veron. New qualification games bring bad memories of 2002

[jimone]

thanks for the reply, but I don't understand. How have I answered myself?
I asked the question in a new thread because I don't speak the language in this one. Which is very frustrating because I would be interested to read the opinions. What I want to know is why you are all so down on Veron, it can't be because he plays in England, lots of Argies have played there without becoming national hate figures. And if it's because he had a bad world cup, presumably every other member of the squad is harassed too, because every they all had a nightmare. I'm puzzled.

[efernandez9]

I believe he was booed every time he touched the ball v. Chile, and the fans were chanting 'Veron is an Englishman' which I presume is the ultimate insult over there.
Seems no way to treat a true artist of the game. from your post.
The fact that he plays there and the bad days in wc02, developed the bad blood with the fans, that is all!

ardiles is another that is not in the love list of many for the same reason.

The englishman chants, plus banners with the same, were intendend to hurt his feelings....he did not care much.

feel free to post in english or question anything in spanish, blong or palermo or me will translate if we are around!

[jimone]

You'll love this then, depending which side of the fence you're

on.http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/chelsea/story.jsp?story=447784

looks like they're following the cash, to me, maybe I'm a little cynical.

[efernandez9]

but off course, the wallet must be filled first!

Is not the reason the ball rolls now days in any liga?

[jimone]

"I like tough, unpredictable challenges like this one. Knowing I was going to have the opportunity to help write new chapters in Chelsea's history was all the incentive I needed."

funny really. But my favourite was


"Seba has been helping me a lot, and we speak every day, which is a great support. We sometimes recall how Osvaldo Ardiles and Ricardo Villa came to London to sign for Spurs, and we discuss how much we would love to become legends like them."


it looks like Veron already is.

[HinchaDeRiver]

Brujita choked in WC02....porque no puso huevos

that is y there is animosity towards him

[AtNacional]

Just saw his interview on FSWE. Animosity? Probably from you, but Argentina doesn't feel the same way you do. If thats the case then "ninguno puso huevo" because he made it clear that he did not feel like going to the world cup but the love he has for that jersey made him change his mind. No doubt about it, he is a great footballer on the field and a great person off the field as well.

[efernandez9]

regreso ala argentina ayer con maletas MUY grandes? sera el retiro forzado?

se viene a operar de un disco Herniado en la parte baja de la columna vertebral.....prognosis???? no se sabe si 10 meses o 6...a su edad es dificil de regresar al 100%

[JuanPeron]

Is there any chance that he will come back to National Team duty. No offense but Riquelme on his best day hardly touches Seba, Riquelme goes missing easily in my view.

Just wondering what Argentineans thought of Seba?

[dogfried]

I think he and Riquelme are very, very similar, and almost interchangable.

Allow me to propose this (though this is very tentative, we don't know in what form these players will be by WC time):

--------------------FRANCO/ABON.-------------------
J.ZAN/GONZALO---AYALA----SAMUEL---------HEINZE
--------------------MASCHERANO--------------------
----------MESSI-------VERON----------SORIN-------
-----------------------RIQUELME--------------------
-----------------------CRESPO-----------------------

Advantages: Veron and Riquelme are both exceptional passers with incredible vision. They could feed both Messi and Crespo, as well as take their own chances. Mascherano controls the backside of the midfield, with Sorin helping out whenever he or Zanetti or Heinze push up. Messi would work as a Robben, or a second striker, with Sorin also drifting towards the center so Veron and Mascherano cover the gaps when Messi pushes up.

Disadvantages: If we don't score, we could potentially give up counter attack goals with more ease than with a more defensive minded lineup. Also, we don't really play with one striker, and this formation could be tough to figure out by the time we start world cup play.

Subs: Aimar, Lucho, Saviola/Cruz/Tevez (one of the three for striker).

Discuss this formation with Veron included.

[nicephoras]

Veron and Riquelme CANNOT play together. Both demand that play run through them. They need a lot of time on the ball. They can't both have that; one of them will be useless. IMHO, a 3 back set (with Ayala, Coloccini and Heinze, no Samuel), Zanetti and Sorin as wingbacks, Mascherano, Cambiasso, Lucho and Riquelme in midfield and Crespo up top would be the best option Argentina has.
Aimar can come in for Cambiasso if Argentina expects to have a lot of possession, or they can replace him with Tevez to play 2 up top.

[dogfried]

Veron and Riquelme CANNOT play together. Both demand that play run through them. They need a lot of time on the ball. They can't both have that; one of them will be useless. IMHO, a 3 back set (with Ayala, Coloccini and Heinze, no Samuel), Zanetti and Sorin as wingbacks, Mascherano, Cambiasso, Lucho and Riquelme in midfield and Crespo up top would be the best option Argentina has.
Aimar can come in for Cambiasso if Argentina expects to have a lot of possession, or they can replace him with Tevez to play 2 up top.

Samuel is our best international defender.

Cambiasso has yet to play well for the national side (although he's been ripping it up at Inter so far this season).

I understand that Riquelme and Veron are far too similar to consider, as is the case with Pizarro at Inter; he doesn't get paired up with Veron often. I think it's worth a try though. The passing opportunities and vision offered by these two would be exceptional. And why not consider it, Aimar is also in the same vein and fans have been calling for an Aimar/Riquelme pairing for months now.

Also, the formation you suggest is far too defensive for Argentina. You're basically calling for six defenders (seven if Cambiasso retreats as he usually does).

[hoss23]

Samuel is our best international defender.



Samuel is really quite bad. Actually, very bad.

[nicephoras]

Samuel is our best international defender.

I can't agree with that at all. I've always thought he was a hack.

Cambiasso has yet to play well for the national side (although he's been ripping it up at Inter so far this season).

No, Cambiasso plays well as a box to box player - he plays like crap in Mascherano's role. (Speaking of which, what else does Demichelis need to do at Bayern to merit a start in that role, when even clods like Bernardi have been called up by Peckerman?)

I understand that Riquelme and Veron are far too similar to consider, as is the case with Pizarro at Inter; he doesn't get paired up with Veron often. I think it's worth a try though. The passing opportunities and vision offered by these two would be exceptional. And why not consider it, Aimar is also in the same vein and fans have been calling for an Aimar/Riquelme pairing for months now.

Aimar is not the same type of player. He's faster, he makes runs, and he doesn't need to see nearly as much of the ball. Riquelme is a lot like Valeron - good player, but the world has to rotate around him because he has the turning speed of a large tanker.

Also, the formation you suggest is far too defensive for Argentina. You're basically calling for six defenders (seven if Cambiasso retreats as he usually does).

Um........you've been playing that way for ages. And given how much Sorin and Zanetti go up the pitch, they're not real defenders. Remember, Brazil used this same lineup as well in Japorea, and Bielsa dominated South American qualifying with a 3-3-3-1.
Also, Cambiasso is NOT a defensive midfielder!

[dogfried]

No, Cambiasso plays well as a box to box player - he plays like crap in Mascherano's role.

Name for me one good performance by Cambiasso for the national side. His goal against Germany in the Confed Cup was good, but I don't think I can remember another instance of merit.


Aimar is not the same type of player. He's faster, he makes runs, and he doesn't need to see nearly as much of the ball. Riquelme is a lot like Valeron - good player, but the world has to rotate around him because he has the turning speed of a large tanker.

Sure, I'll take Aimar instead of Veron. Either one in that slot is fine by me. I'm for that double visionary role. And Valeron retreats, Riquelme doesn't tackle unless a player runs at him with the ball.


Um........you've been playing that way for ages. And given how much Sorin and Zanetti go up the pitch, they're not real defenders. Remember, Brazil used this same lineup as well in Japorea, and Bielsa dominated South American qualifying with a 3-3-3-1.

What? Riquelme, Lucho and Crespo for the attack with occasional help from Cambiasso will not suffice, imo. Having the attacking wingbacks is nice but I think they should compliment a more aggressive midfield and forward combination. On neutral ground we must attack more (though Bielsa was suicidal at times, unconcerned with where he was playing, pushing his formation higher and higher in places like Brazil. lol).

Are you for or against Messi being on the starting 11?

[dogfried]

----Crespo----
--Aimar----Messi
----Riquelme----
---Sorin---Cambiasso
------Masch------
--Heinze--Sam---Gonz
-------Franco/Abon---

I would support this if we were looking for a 3-4-3 and six defenders were necessary. Cambiasso and Sorin definitely add that availability the formation requires.

Also, I'd like to add that for the WC we should set a 2-3 goal objective for every match.

[nicephoras]

Name for me one good performance by Cambiasso for the national side. His goal against Germany in the Confed Cup was good, but I don't think I can remember another instance of merit.

He looked all right in the qualifiers I've seen, when he was next to Mascherano.

Sure, I'll take Aimar instead of Veron. Either one in that slot is fine by me. I'm for that double visionary role. And Valeron retreats, Riquelme doesn't tackle unless a player runs at him with the ball.

Valeron is a worse tackler than Paul Scholes. Come on.

What? Riquelme, Lucho and Crespo for the attack with occasional help from Cambiasso will not suffice, imo.

So........scoring 3 against Brasil wasn't enough?

Having the attacking wingbacks is nice but I think they should compliment a more aggressive midfield and forward combination. On neutral ground we must attack more (though Bielsa was suicidal at times, unconcerned with where he was playing, pushing his formation higher and higher in places like Brazil. lol).

You say 5-3-2, I say 3-5-2. Tomato/tomato. Its worked before and it can work for Argentina again. Its not as defensive as you're making it out to be, because it would maintain a lot of possession and provide Riquelme time on the ball, which is what you need if you're going to use him as the focal point of the side.

Are you for or against Messi being on the starting 11?

Completely against. Of course, I'm not an Argentine, so take that with a grain of salt. :)