The Official SuperLiga thread Vol III [R]

[el mero mero]

Jose Mourinho says a 4-3-2 is his favorite way to play when he is down to 10. I would take Mourinho's word way over Lapuente's.

A 4-4-1 is horrible because there is no way to form an attack other than getting it to the 1 forward and then having him hold the ball, waiting to pass which enables the opposing team to get back on defense easily.

I think a 4 -3-2 is good becasue you could still have two outlets to attack through with the two forwards. The 3 mids all play a cm/dm role that can always move up. And the sidebacks can also function offensively.

A 4-3-2 is a good way to play for a win without bunkering.


Houston was pathetic when they went down to 10...and Pachuca was even more pathetic for taking them for granted and not finishing them when they were able to.

[Kaney]

Though they probably should, I can't imagine they'll kill this tournament after one season. Assuming a second occurs next summer, how would the format change? I've read that it will be based on the best teams that don't qualify for or aren't invited to bigger tournaments like the Copa Sudamericana or the CONCACAF Champion's cup. If they could up the prize money, drop two MLS teams in favor of another Mexican team and say a Costa Rican team, it might make it a little more interesting. A good team will take a crappy tournament more seriously if the money is good. Hopefully that could spark some better matches.

[Panfilo]

You want fair?

playing a man down is a disadvantage, however, all it really means is that a team can not risk as much and has to play more compact. Its rotations take on a more zone approach.

Lapuente's tactics in these type of situations should be a model as to how to play under those type of circumstances.

America played 85 minutes with 10 men against Morelia during a 2002 Copa Libertaores quarterfinal match and won 2-0. They didnt win with fluke goals either.

in theory, you still have 4-4 line or perhaps even a 5-3 line. A 5-3 line, however is not recommended because the left and right full back will run longer distances. Using a 4-4 line, the left mid and the left back (right mid and right back) can interchange on the attack. That is why in modern football, multifunctional players are a must. Rotation of players and dutings is key under these circumstances.

The response was for the ones who wanted Houston to play offensively.

Come on now you have to be realistic here, no team plays offensively playing down a man. I know you can come up with exceptions to the rule, but a team will always drop back and look to protect its goal when down a man. Especially if your leading.

Before they went a man down they played attacking football. After that all defense. It would have been suicide to play offensively against a team as lethal as Pachuca.

Like I said before once it was 10 v 10 they kept playing defensively which was wack but what are you going to do, its the MLS

[Chiquitibum]

I dont have cable :(

[LMvCP]

Jose Mourinho says a 4-3-2 is his favorite way to play when he is down to 10. I would take Mourinho's word way over Lapuente's.

i do believe you are talking out of your ass and mentioning mourihno to give your argument more cred :D:o You cant play 4-3-2 with a man down. You lose the middle and the lines between the forwards and the defense are wider

for starters, there is no secret playbook when playing a man down because you do not know which player and which function you will lose.

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Just to give an example, a couple years back..Lapuente's team was playing a man down. An attack orientated player was sent off and to my surprise he takes out a centerback and puts in a defensive mid.

I was thinking, "what the ******** is he doing".

as you know, Lapuente plays with 4 men in the back. well, he knew that he needed a player than could defend and connect the defense with the offense...the dmid actually functioned as a libero having the liberty to move up a bit, but not far enough to leave the back line exposed.

The match ended in a draw but the point is that the team did not get desperate, they still played calm, and their marking was dead on.


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i am not saying that a team can function the same, but neither should it go to the extreme and put everyone behind the ball. Even when Pachuca and Houston had 10 men each, they still did not risk. THAT IS MY PROBLEM which is why I cant stand watching most MLS matches. Too cuatious for my tatse

[LMvCP]

The response was for the ones who wanted Houston to play offensively.

Come on now you have to be realistic here, no team plays offensively playing down a man. I know you can come up with exceptions to the rule, but a team will always drop back and look to protect its goal when down a man. Especially if your leading.

Before they went a man down they played attacking football. After that all defense. It would have been suicide to play offensively against a team as lethal as Pachuca.

Like I said before once it was 10 v 10 they kept playing defensively which was wack but what are you going to do, its the MLS

i am not saying you have to be offensive or defensive. It should be balanced.

even when they had 10 men, they put everyone behind the ball

[Chiquitibum]

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[LMvCP]

Pineda is a bad ass taking those type of PKs.

I still think the best way to kick the ball is low, fast, and in the corner..

[The Prophet]

the same way you think about USA teams in mexico is the same way we think about Mexican teams in South America.

[Banner or Hulk?]

the same way you think about USA teams in mexico is the same way we think about Mexican teams in South America.

Shut up. You know whats the difference between Mexican and MLS teams? Mexican teams can win away games.

I see youre a Dynamo fan, this comment couldnt be coming from hurt feelings now, would it?

Even when Pachuca had a man advantage they were going to struggle to score with all the hacking and getting stepped on by Houston players. Then they had to worry about their shirts getting ripped off. Thats some quality MLS defending.

[Chiquitibum]

I didnt get to see the game. sounds like it was a good one. lol (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12482978&postcount=86)

[LMvCP]

the same way you think about USA teams in mexico is the same way we think about Mexican teams in South America.

LOL!! Sure buddy.

[frescoxl]

Wow, rikker20 please dont come here and say the most retarded things without even knowing or watching any games that Mexican clubs play down there.

The refferee is ALWAYS cutting slack towards the SA club teams, always screwing with the Mexican Team. Mexican teams have made it to the finals only to loose in penalties for Libertadores. Pachuca just beat Colo Colo for the Sudamericana.

The only downfall is that Mexican clubs seem to care more for there domestic title instead of Libertadores so they dont send out there best players when they need them at there domestic games. Aka American sending nobodies at Libertadores.

[la fresa]

LOL!! Sure buddy.
the funny thing is, when Pachuca won the Sudamericana, they won the second leg in Chile... playing effective futbol, not the bunker crap MLS teams play.

[LMvCP]

the funny thing is, when Pachuca won the Sudamericana, they dwon the second leg in Chile... playing effective futbol, not the bunker crap MLS teams play.

that is my point....

you may squeeze out a few wins putting 8-10 guys behind the ball and catch a break and score, but one thing that history has shown is the teams that lift the most silverware are not the ones that receive the least amount of goals, they are the ones that scores the most amount of goals.

"El Futbol Mexicano ya no es Joven" published in 1965 made that point clearly. It gave numerous examples showing that most champions leading the goal scoring chart (and not so much being the least scored on). You can look at rsssf and other websites and see that most league champs usually lead the league in goal output.

That is why MFL clubs have been able to beat Sao Paolo, Boca, River, Colo Colo, Cienciano, Alianza, America de Cali, San Lorenzo, etc in their own backyards.. because they do not modify their game plan all that much.

[EdsonArantes]

Dear Pachuca/MFL fans,

I have but a smiple request. I have no qualms with Houston but I was rooting for Pachuca simply because I had no interest in watching two MLS sides play in the final. Yawn...I can watch MLS cup for that. Actually quite a few MLS fans were. Now my United need to dismantle the LA Beckhams tonight for a final between DC and Pachuca. Promise me your team will play the final (hopefully against DC) at at least 75% strength? The final is on August 28, roughly a month into the Apertura, so surely they should be in full form or close to it by then. So they will be fit, which means the only question is how much will they care? Promise me you will at least act like you care? Please play to win, if for no other reason than to shut up the MLS fans who would take a victory to mean their teams are light years ahead of the Mexican teams. We are not stupid , we know this is an arbitrary tournament in its first year. We know its unfair that it is only being played in one country. We know the teams are at different points in their season. However some of us enjoy watching a hotly contested, cracking football match, be it a Friendly, preseason, regular season, Superliga, Champions Cup, Club World cup, Carling Cup, Community Shield or World Cup final. Some of us like to watch the game with fans of the opposing team, and win or lose, say "good game" at the end and leave it at that. Pachuca/MFL fans, I humbly submit this request, and do hope you will honor it. Reading on this board gives me little reason to believe my wish will come true, however I am holding out hope, for if just one MFL fan takes this game seriously, as well as the team, I shall truly know happiness. <tear>

Sincerely,

"Realistic" fan of the beautiful game

[la fresa]

It was an entertaining game, but not a good one played by Houston. They play ugly, and dirty, much like DC did against Morelia. Ripping shirts, kicking, resorting to ugly fouls constantly through out the game. This, by a team well into their season playing against a team two weeks into theirs. F that.

[sidspaceman]

Man I hope the Galaxy win so we don't have to put up with the DC trolls again.

[el mero mero]

i do believe you are talking out of your ass and mentioning mourihno to give your argument more cred :D:o You cant play 4-3-2 with a man down. You lose the middle and the lines between the forwards and the defense are wider



No, I just look at what each coach has won, and at what level. Then I take it from there.

Am I using Mourinho for more credibility or are you using Lapuente?

Why would you lose the middle when teams play a 4-3-3 all the time? With a 4-3-2 the team can still function from the midfield back, the 2 forwards will be the ones with more work to do.

[Monkeyboy2000]

So overall, how would you guys rate the level of play of Super Liga ? I really had no interest in this since it was announced and really haven't seen any of the matches. But I've seen plenty of MLS vs MFL games in the past and have yet to see anything of interest. On the MLS boards apparently the Pachuca/Houston game was one for the ages. Folks are excited about SuperLiga, big crowd on a Tuesday night, etc. There's disappointment over the Houston loss but in general MLS fans like this. So what's the deal ? Are these memorable matches ? Will there be more interest in this in the years to come ?