What were the old signs for fouls before the one's we have now?

[BigGuy]

On another thread there is a disscussion on what soccer was like in the past.

I posted this the older officials here can help answer it I think.

"Now a little more modern history.

As in the fouls and the officials hand signals for the fouls we used in the past.

Like what was the hand signal for an indirect free kick whish is different then we have today remember this was not that long ago.

Another foul which is a still a foul that is not called much any more is jumping at the opponent. What was that official hand signal for that?

I used to know them all but I can't remember them now except the indirect foul signal I do remember that.

Ok how about it? Maybe the older officials will remember them?"

[ref2coach]

In Robert Evans' book he mentioned that in the old NASL they used foul "description" signals. If I understood what he said in his book they were the signals that NFHS referees use in American High School soccer, today. "Jumping at" is the arm held out to the side, upper arm level with shoulder, bent 90 degrees at he elbow, fist closed. I have posted the link to the NFHS signals below.
http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmanager/uploads/soccersignals1.pdf

[BigGuy]

In Robert Evans' book he mentioned that in the old NASL they used foul "description" signals. If I understood what he said in his book they were the signals that NFHS referees use in American High School soccer, today. "Jumping at" is the arm held out to the side, upper arm level with shoulder, bent 90 degrees at he elbow, fist closed. I have posted the link to the NFHS signals below.
http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmanager/uploads/soccersignals1.pdf

That was very interesting. I am going to save this.

I do remember the indirect free kick was different. All it was back then as I recall it was using two hands pointing in the direction that the indirect kick will be taken. Meaning it is a two touch foul non penal.

[refmike]

In my 35 years as a referee, I don't remember any significant change in signals given by the referee. The original description is that we are not to indicate what was done wrong; only what is to be done about it (in other words, only blow the whistle and signal the restart). Silent signals between AR and CR have evolved and moved from allowed to disallowed and back to allowed but no significant signals to the world (beyond the use of red and yellow cards, which was before my time).

[BigGuy]

In my 35 years as a referee, I don't remember any significant change in signals given by the referee. The original description is that we are not to indicate what was done wrong; only what is to be done about it (in other words, only blow the whistle and signal the restart). Silent signals between AR and CR have evolved and moved from allowed to disallowed and back to allowed but no significant signals to the world (beyond the use of red and yellow cards, which was before my time).

You don't remember a different signal for Indirect free kick or a seperate signal for jumping at the opponent?

[refmike]

You don't remember a different signal for Indirect free kick or a seperate signal for jumping at the opponent?

No, it has always been one arm up for an IFK. We did not give this signal for a goal kick which was indirect many years ago but now a goal kick is direct so that is fixed. And there never was an official (USSF or FIFA) signal for jumping at an opponent because we did not signal the foul - only the restart.

I know there are such signals but they are not official for outdoor games (there are signals for indoor games).