Germany plays beautifull football?

[TheBoss84]

Ive recently started watching bundesliga matches thanks to sopcast and TVU. And i gotta say german teams play some beautifull and entertaining football. I guess i let myself carry over the hype of english and spanish football.

Im really looking forward to this season.

[ForeverRed]

Shame people buy into the stereotype that all German football is rigid, defensive and boring.

A Brazilian guy I always play with at the field told me he will never watch German football because he finds it too defensive, lacking creativity and all other stereotypes falsly associated with it. Now, he said this not knowing a damn thing about German football, its past and history or the Bundesliga.

Hopefully German teams start performing better in Europe because thats the only way people outside of Germany will pay attention, appreciate it and begin to understand it.

[squidward123]

I don't get why being born in a certain country or being of a certain race precludes you from thinking about the game creatively, because that's what these stereotypes imply.

There are so many holes in these stereotypes.

How come germany have 192 world cup goals from 92 games? Brazil have 201 from 92. Those are the two best records and ratios by a mile. Germany have played 2 less tournaments as well. They have a better defensive record at less than 1 goal per game while germany's is quite a bit more than 1 goal per game, which means our games have more goals in them.

If germany when they go 1-0 up, defend the lead all game, then we must have gone 2-0 down every game to have score 192 goals right?

How come germany are involved in all the greatest (attacking) games in history?

How come german players dominate the ballon d'or awards if there have never been "great individual players"? Since 1996 there have been only 3 german nominations in the top three. There are 27 overall (7 first place = tied first with Holland), which is 8 more than the next country, which shows the dominance in the 30 years before that.

If gerd muller scored only tap ins for his ridiculous goal record, then isn't that admitting that germany have had an amazing midfield that can pass/dribble through everyone to provide him with just tap ins?

I can't prove the style of play using stats, but watch the games from the past eras and read articles written in those times and talk to people who were young in those times.

Every stereotype can be shot down right there.

Btw, werder bremen currently play the nicest looking football.

[Little fairy]

I always encounter on that plate in almost every forum I´m writing in...ahh ze germans, playing ze boring and crap football *yawn*. Stereotype olé. :rolleyes: Do me the favor and wake up my dear foreign fellows we aren´t in the 80´anymore. We have developed and moved on... especially the national team but BuLi as well.

Btw, werder bremen currently play the nicest looking football.
Not what I have seen in yesterdays match *harumpf* but there is still hope we will play that football again this season...only question is: WHEN? :D :rolleyes:

[+Gooner+]

They certainly do! I would chose watching the German national team over almost any other national team right now and basically any German league game is better to watch than most of the EPL when the big teams are not involved. In another forum I actually read some posts of a Dutch poster (who was clearly a hater of the German national team to be honest) he said the match against England would surely be boring and they would defende 90 minutes long. When did they last play defensive football?! Did these people watch any of the games Germany played at the world cup or in the qualifiers? Did they what any Bundesliga match? Surely not. :)

[squidward123]

In another forum I actually read some posts of a Dutch poster (who was clearly a hater of the German national team to be honest) he said the match against England would surely be boring and they would defende 90 minutes long.

The question is, when will holland start to play attacking football again because they haven't in a long time. Only in spurts over the last 15 years.

[squidward123]

I always encounter on that plate in almost every forum I´m writing in...ahh ze germans, playing ze boring and crap football *yawn*. Stereotype olé. :rolleyes: Do me the favor and wake up my dear foreign fellows we aren´t in the 80´anymore. We have developed and moved on... especially the national team but BuLi as well.


To be fair, even in half the 80s and then 1990 the NT played an attacking style. It really began to stink from the mid 90s onwards.

And 70s and some of the 60s...well...and beautiful as you can get.

Even hans peter briegel who actually formed this stereotype of all germans being robotic, actually improved technically a lot, went to italy and played a leading role in hellas verona winning the scudetto in 1985

[Little fairy]

Yah thats what I meant the ´90...sorry :)

[+Gooner+]

The question is, when will holland start to play attacking football again because they haven't in a long time. Only in spurts over the last 15 years.

That sad fact made it even funnier. :D

[atlanta]

To be fair, even in half the 80s and then 1990 the NT played an attacking style. It really began to stink from the mid 90s onwards.

And 70s and some of the 60s...well...and beautiful as you can get.

Even hans peter briegel who actually formed this stereotype of all germans being robotic, actually improved technically a lot, went to italy and played a leading role in hellas verona winning the scudetto in 1985

yeah, mid 90-mid 00's was utter crap. I'm perplexed at why that would be the case. Laziness in part of DFB? Foreigners in buli? players not giving a damn?

[Leinad]

yeah, mid 90-mid 00's was utter crap. I'm perplexed at why that would be the case. Laziness in part of DFB? Foreigners in buli? players not giving a damn?

it was lazyness of the DFB and the clubs regarding youth work.
The foreigner thing had for sure also a big impact on german football cause before most didnt have the easy option to look for a decent footballer in another country in such a massive way and instead of investing in young german talents the clubs did the easy thing and bought cheap foreigners.

Gladly this attitude changed in the last year and its getting better year by year although i have to say that its often still only done when the clubs have no money/no other choice.
Stuttgart some years ago (or even the last season) is a classic example. Not enough money for big transfers and suddenly they found good players in their youth...
Same happens in other clubs, sometimes its really depressing that young players are only getting their chance when everything else went wrong.

The biggest problem nowadays is not the youth work itself, its more the next step, to get those talents into the first team. Thats where most clubs can still improve a lot.
But despite all that its clear that there is now a brighter future for germany than some years ago. The german national team consists mostly of players under 25 years and they already proved that they can play at a top level.
Im curious to see how players like Lahm, Mertesacker, Schweinsteiger, Gomez, Jansen, Hilbert, Podolski, Khedira, Tasci, Helmes and all the other develop in the next years.

[squidward123]

yeah, mid 90-mid 00's was utter crap. I'm perplexed at why that would be the case. Laziness in part of DFB? Foreigners in buli? players not giving a damn?

as well as what leinad said, I also do think that the players lost motivation.

As well as certain key players not playing for the NT anymore or being injured - sammer, effenberg, basler, scholl, deisler. Except unlike in the 70s, when netzer is injured you can't replace him with overath or beckenbauer anymore. Not the same depth.

For eg. in world cup 98, players like moeller, klinsmann etc just were not the same. they'd been there, done that, won everything and were uninspired. Oh and don't get me started on matthaus. Why the hell was he even still there. Losing sammer was a big big loss. After euro 96 there were signs of a "new" team forming. Well, in the qualifiers before euro96, and during the tournament as well when we won with half the squad out. Then back comes lodda.

I also realise that frm 97-02, the bundesliga clubs were more succesful than EPL clubs have been from 02-07 in europe. Although mind you the best clubs are crammed into one competition now so less to win.

In 97 german clubs won 2/3 cups

But, certain teams were actually packed with germans, unlike the clubs from england that do well these days who are packed with foreign players.

Dortmund 97 was 11/13 german in the final. Bayern 99 was 9/11 german in the final if you don't include the subs who I can't remember now. Leverkusen 02 was a good part german too.

This is where I think the players and the NT (02 apart) just couldn't give a damn enough deep inside to get themselves sorted as a team. Been there, done that. Remember beckenbauer's quote of "you might as well give us all the titles now" after unification. From 1966-1996 germany got to 12 semis, 10 major finals, winning 5. That record is almost unfair on the other teams.

[prymetyme]

That was one of the nicest positives that came out during the World Cup, so many of my friends told me that watching Germany play was a pleasure. The Bundesliga really does have a certain style to it, it is extremely entertaining and attacking. The last few years have been eye-opening. Everyone should watch a Bundesliga match if they haven't over the last few years, that would change their minds...

[Basti Fantasti]

Much of the stereotype of a rigid and defensive hard fought German game is actually generated by the Germans themselves. Back in the day in the old West much of the great German teams came from the Rheinland - Schalke ... Dortmund. These areas are typically working class. The mentality in a Germany building itself out of the rubble of the Second World War revolved around hard work. Subsequently, for a footballer in order to justify his wages and win over the support of the fans who were working themselves hard to the bone he would have to be a typical German work horse. Therefore, players that flaunted abundant tricks were actually looked down upon.

In my opinion this has had a lot to answer for and up until Klinsmann took control of the team Germany has lacked in class, in comparison to a brazil or argentina (obviously the team of the 70s was outstanding) but made it up with work rate, however work rate is reduced when the players are too old as they were around 2000 (one of the lowest points of the national team). Cosmopolitan Germany has a new fashionable face and we are quickly producing players that have a trick or two up their sleeve.

I believe the real world beating German team will come when we have a perfect mixture between a hard defensive work horse, with the tricksters up front. A few more years and this might become a reality. :D

[Little fairy]

I believe the real world beating German team will come when we have a perfect mixture between a hard defensive work horse, with the tricksters up front. A few more years and this might become a reality. :D

Not a few more years its already reality at least for the trickster :D How about this 18 years young lad? He just received his first call up for the german U-21 international match tomorrow and we all do now HOW MUCH this U-21 is watched by Jogi, don´t we?! :cool:

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[Basti Fantasti]

Man ... Marko Marin is a real talent - speed, skill and guts. With others like Kroos coming through playing with the quality the team posses today - Schweinsteiger et al. maybe Germany is a serious contender for the next world cup. It feels weird saying it but i can see Germany actually playing beautiful football. The Bundesliga may be the poorest of the big four, but that means we make our own talent. England's long term prospects don't look half as good as ours. :cool:

[squidward123]

the current team don't have jack on the 60s, 70s and some 80s teams (at least yet)

the players then had better technique. Only schneider currently has that technique and possibly klose. Ballack doesn't have the technique to be a true #10. He can't do much in a dribble. Frings is about the same as him except a better dribbler.

Name two players who could play a midfield tandem like hansi muller and bernd schuster? With their technique level.

The era of the mid 60s to mid 70s saw germany play it's best football IMO.

That's when beckenbauer, overath and netzer played in the midfield and there were tons of tricky players playing forward either side of gerd muller. Plus let's not forget uwe seeler.

The world cup 1990 team were also not bad.

There isn't a single player right now with andi moeller's technique either. (apart from schneider I guess)

[zippy85]

German football is rigid, defensive and boring.
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I agree :)

[Fräulein96]

I agree :)

Give it up. You're not even in the Oberliga of trolls. We've seen much better here.

[zippy85]

Give it up. You're not even in the Oberliga of trolls. We've seen much better here.
Sorry, i just could not help that one, I will be more sensible :)