Goalkeeper Possesion

[chrisrun]

Check out around time 0:20 of the highlights from the DC - NE game.

DC - NE Highlights (mms://a1503.v115042.c11504.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/11504/v0001/mlbmls.download.akamai.com/11504/2007/open/gp/08/080507_dcuner_gp_350.wmv)

Looks like the keeper had his hand on the ball before the player kicked it. Thoughts??

[intechpc]

I thought exactly the opposite looks to me like the ball is still loose near his feet and he's reaching for it at the point it was kicked. Very close call either way.

[NHRef]

at first look looked like he had it, but on second look, to close to call, looks like the hand and foot get to the ball at the same time.

[chrisrun]

at first look looked like he had it, but on second look, to close to call, looks like the hand and foot get to the ball at the same time.
Yes, it looks very close. So which way do you lean when the GK and the player get there at the same time? For the GK, in terms of protecting the keeper, or for the attacker, in terms of promoting attacking soccer?


http://referee.riehlplace.com/pics/GK_Posses.jpg

[brainer 99]

Yes, it looks very close. So which way do you lean when the GK and the player get there at the same time? For the GK, in terms of protecting the keeper, or for the attacker, in terms of promoting attacking soccer?


http://referee.riehlplace.com/pics/GK_Posses.jpg

Maybe we should ask Marcus Hanneman and Reading how they feel about keeper in possession of a ball? Being a keeper myself, when I first saw it i thought he had possession. but after seeing the replay several times, he does not appear to have solid control of the ball. It was almost like giving up a short rebound and he didn't jump on it immediately. Don't know what he was thinking? if he would have just put his hand on the ball immediately, we're not having this conversation.

[ref47]

as we like to say, no such thing as a tie (although the new lotg now acknowledge that ties happen). make a decision who got there first. if you favor goals, on this play, the kick was not very threatening to the keeper. not excessively hard or really near causing an injury. attacker got there first. goal. if the kick was with greater force or endangered the keeper, keeper got there first. it looks really close.

[Tarheel Ref]

Looked good from my seat here at my desk. As challenges near the GK go, this seemed like a very responsible play (from the attacker) and not dangerous...spikes down, reaching to play ONLY the ball which is loose near the keeper's feet and not trying to plow through the keeper like a train wreck.

Like all other video decisions, I watched once at full speed and made my decision. Good video quality!

[njref]

Your attitude in making this call should reflect the level of play. At high levels you call it straight, who is first. With youth play at lower levels, you start to favor the GK, as this is a dangerous play likely to lead to injury.

[Tarheel Ref]

Your attitude in making this call should reflect the level of play. At high levels you call it straight, who is first. With youth play at lower levels, you start to favor the GK, as this is a dangerous play likely to lead to injury.

IMHO best answer so far.

[chrisrun]

Looking at it at full speed, it looks like a goal to me. Looking at it in slow motion (time 0:43 on the highlights), it looks like the GK gets his hand on it a split second before the attacker kicks it, which would mean he has possession, and it should be no goal.

But on a play that close, I don't think there could be much arguing no matter which way it was called.

[WFU03]

I don't know how to do a video capture, but I think the third replay, almost at field level, gives the best angle to see if there is any "daylight" between the keeper's hand and the ball when the forward kicks it. To me, it appears there is, even though on the other replays I thought the keeper's hand got there first. If the ref saw the same daylight as the on field camera, great call in the heat of the action.

[uniteo]

The field level replays (2nd & 3rd replays) sure make it look like no hand on the ball, but too close to tell even in slow motion if he did get a hand on it. I can't imagine calling that possession in a professional game.