Re: Die Löwen!!! TSV 1860 München Official Thread 07/08[R]

[footyfan1]

Göktan played 45 minutes for 1860 II on Thursdsay against FSV LU-Oggersheim. The match finished 1-1. Pagenburg scored 1860's goal.

[darb]

Koblenz - 1860 3:1 (2:1)
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/2bundesliga/spieltag/spielpaarungsbericht/object/808086/saison/2007-08/naviindex/1

Two own goals in the first half by Thorandt and Berhalter. Goktan scored for 1860, and it looks like played the whole match.

[LoewenBoy]

Koblenz - 1860 3:1 (2:1) (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/2bundesliga/spieltag/spielpaarungsbericht/object/808086/saison/2007-08/naviindex/1)

Two own goals in the first half by Thorandt and Berhalter. Goktan scored for 1860, and it looks like played the whole match.

Totally, TOTALLY undeserved points from this team. They barely deserved ONE point, let along three. On 0-1 Sechzig played awesome and Goektan showed Kucukovic exactly what a goal scorer does....he follows up shots on goal. On 1-1 two mistakes: Thordant had NO BUSINESS heading the ball...that was just plan stupid; second, Tschauner showed why he is shaky in goal....you just don't come out on balls like that. On 2-1 Berhalter was unlucky...tried to head over the goal, hit the crossbar, hit is foot and then rolled in. On 3-1 the ref should have whistled the foul on Berhalter but he let play. The horrendous defending and inability to clear the friggin ball leade to a walk into the area. Again, Tschauner played it like an 18 year-old keeper...no balls. The rest of my thoughts below...


Tschauner: I give him a 5. Just plain lousy. Positioning and communication were questionable. Not a director of defense. One of the quietest keepers I have ever seen.

Johnson: Good match and solid on the right. Not many overlapping runs but held his guys at bay.

Thorandt: More dangerous for Koblenz than Sechzig. Never thought much of him and he is proving me right. Would rather give Purdy a chance in the pros than this guy. His OG was simply stupid defending...something he does much of. He is making my memory of Berhalter from last year go away fast. He makes dumb plays, dumb choices and rarely justifies his use of oxygen with his play. Should be paying 1860 for the playing time he gets.

Berhalter: Had an off game but was not bad. The OG was not his fault as goofy as it sounds. Was wrong-footedon his header and just unlucky.

Hoffmann: Good match, had forward runs just few ideas. Good thing I never expect too many good ideas from him. Solid match though.

L. Bender: Disappointing. Not much forward or back.

S. Bender: I don't think the umbilical cord was just 19 years ago; when one brother has a ************ game so does the other.

Wolff: Another good match from him. Got 90 mins and never tired. Was about the only bright spot offensively idea-wise. Faded in the second half with ideas but so did those around him. The Sechzig announcers were talking about Wolff and a possible contract extension. I have heard that the team, while not giving up on promotion, realize they are somewhat out of the hunt and are now in evaluation mode. Wolff's contract is up in June and rumor is he is being given this time to prove he can contribute another year. My guess is he will resign for one year. The fact they are not bringing Ziegenbein up tells me that this may be the case.

Göktan: First half=awesome. Second half= not quite there. Clearly not fully match fit, a bit tentative on challenges and ideas are not as fast as they used to be. It will come but clear he is not fully back yet.

Bierofka: Not a good match but not a bad one. I think playing on that ankle has finally caught up with him. Not the same guy has he has been. Two matches now he was been less than himself.

Di Salvo: Had two chances inside area the "old" toni Di Salvo would have finished in his sleep, but sent them wide or over the top. But still a damn sight better than Kucukovic would have done.

Holebas für S. Bender (69.): Holebase came on b/c Bender picked up a yellow and was in danger of picking up a second. Jose not able to do much in 20 mins on the pitch.

Kucukovic für Di Salvo (73.): Competed with Thorandt for oxygen.
Dropping 3pts to these guys has got to put the promotion dream out for the year. Yes, they will still play like demons to get points. But realistically they would have to win games like this, not lose them, just to stay in the hunt. Dropping points like this to two-bit teams like Koblenz is not the way to stay on the promotion track. Have to say one of the worst games they have played since teh 0-3 to Augsburg to open the Rueckrunde.

[LoewenBoy]

Good News: Reuter wants to bind Göktan to Sechzig long-term and Göktan said on LoewenRadio that he is not looking to go anywhere and sees his future with 1860 "after all they had done for me." BTW, a "pension contract" for those wondering is essentially a golden parachute to keep the player around until he retires...and then a carrot for life-after-football with the club. Text below:Stefan Reuter will Leistungsträger Berkant Göktan langfristig an den Club binden. Gegenüber der Bild-Zeitung sagte der Manager, dass ihm ein "Rentenvertrag" für den Offensivmann vorschwebe. Dieser ist nicht abgeneigt, pokert jedoch noch ums Gehalt.
Stefan Reuter wants to secure the services of Berkant Goektan on a long-term basis. Opposite his picture in Das Bild, the manager said that he wants to float a "pension contract" for the offenseman. This does not mean that [he] is disinclined to negotiate around the content.

[Borussia]

I think your guys marked a new record by losing the game despite scoring 3 of the 4 goals! :eek: ;)

[LoewenBoy]

I think your guys marked a new record by losing the game despite scoring 3 of the 4 goals! :eek: ;)
The funniest part of the whole thing was on LoewenTV the announcer said during the first OG: "Oje, nein....Berhalter trifft. Nein, es war Thorandt...aber macht nix weil die beiden sind gleich.":cool: Laughed my ass off.

Nothing like having netted 3 goals but be down 1-2 havind dominated the game. Cannot remember a game like that for anyone going back 30+ years. Never seen that. Kurz's reaction was classic: "What can one do when the football gods are against you?"

[footyfan1]

The funniest part of the whole thing was on LoewenTV the announcer said during the first OG: "Oje, nein....Berhalter trifft. Nein, es war Thorandt...aber macht nix weil die beiden sind gleich.":cool: Laughed my ass off.

Nothing like having netted 3 goals but be down 1-2 havind dominated the game. Cannot remember a game like that for anyone going back 30+ years. Never seen that. Kurz's reaction was classic: "What can one do when the football gods are against you?"

OMG. I didn't even see it. Heard stuff on the radio, but had not heard that....... :(

[LoewenBoy]

Easy game to critique this week:

Tschauner: Head up his ass.
Hoffmann: Head up his ass.
Thorandt: Head up his ass.
Berhalter: Head up his ass and up Simak's ass.
B. Schwarz: Head up his ass...out of position on Berhalter's f-up to allow Jena to counter.
L. Bender: Head up his ass.
D. Schwarz: Head up his ass.
Bierofka: Head up his ass.
Göktan: Head less far up his ass than anyone else...but since he is coming back from injury he is excused....and he scored..
Holebas: Head up his ass.
Di Salvo: Head up his ass.
S. Bender: Head up his ass and up his brother's ass. Simak schooled him two dozen times on how not to play defense. Jockey's left on the floor more than 12 times by my count.
Gebhart: Did not play long enough to have his head too far up his ass, but looked greased and on its way in.
Kucukovic: Head up his ass.40,000 people, playing at home, most of the first choice people there, everyone healthy, nice spring day, and KABLAAAAM these guys fine a way to gift 3 pts. Cannot remember when 1860 played well from Jan-Mar. Every year the same thing...rueckrunde explosion. Damn good thing we did so well in the hinrunde or else we would be smelling the relgation zone.

[footyfan1]

Easy game to critique this week:

Tschauner: Head up his ass.
Hoffmann: Head up his ass.
Thorandt: Head up his ass.
Berhalter: Head up his ass and up Simak's ass.
B. Schwarz: Head up his ass...out of position on Berhalter's f-up to allow Jena to counter.
L. Bender: Head up his ass.
D. Schwarz: Head up his ass.
Bierofka: Head up his ass.
Göktan: Head less far up his ass than anyone else...but since he is coming back from injury he is excused....and he scored..
Holebas: Head up his ass.
Di Salvo: Head up his ass.
S. Bender: Head up his ass and up his brother's ass. Simak schooled him two dozen times on how not to play defense. Jockey's left on the floor more than 12 times by my count.
Gebhart: Did not play long enough to have his head too far up his ass, but looked greased and on its way in.
Kucukovic: Head up his ass.40,000 people, playing at home, most of the first choice people there, everyone healthy, nice spring day, and KABLAAAAM these guys fine a way to gift 3 pts. Cannot remember when 1860 played well from Jan-Mar. Every year the same thing...rueckrunde explosion. Damn good thing we did so well in the hinrunde or else we would be smelling the relgation zone.

Dude, look at the Tippspiel. I called this one. Jena has finally pulled their heads out of their asses and are now trying to play in the 2. Liga as they did in the DFB Pokal (German Cup).

With this loss, 1860 can now begin preparations for next season...... :(

[LoewenBoy]

Dude, look at the Tippspiel. I called this one. Jena has finally pulled their heads out of their asses and are now trying to play in the 2. Liga as they did in the DFB Pokal (German Cup).

With this loss, 1860 can now begin preparations for next season...... :(
I know. Playing relegation-threatened teams in spring are the HARDEST damn games to play. Just ask FCB about the Cottbus game. :) I watched the whole match and from the kickoff I could tell these guys were going to lose. It was as if they had their heart taken out of them. The CLEARLY left it in the Kabine; they were just not doing anything.

[footyfan1]

I know. Playing relegation-threatened teams in spring are the HARDEST damn games to play. Just ask FCB about the Cottbus game. :)

Right on, but this wasn't quite that big of an upset..... ;)


I watched the whole match and from the kickoff I could tell these guys were going to lose. It was as if they had their heart taken out of them. The CLEARLY left it in the Kabine; they were just not doing anything.

Was it really like that or was Jena just that much better than they were? I'll tell you what, watching Jena play in the Cup, everyone wondered how in the hell could they be so low in the 2. Liga standings.

Jena is a lot better than their record indicates. Perhaps they were simply better than 1860? :confused:

[LoewenBoy]

Was it really like that or was Jena just that much better than they were? I'll tell you what, watching Jena play in the Cup, everyone wondered how in the hell could they be so low in the 2. Liga standings. Jena is a lot better than their record indicates. Perhaps they were simply better than 1860? :confused:
Well, here's my take:

1860 gave all Jena players WAY too much room. they played off of them way too far.
Simak was given too much room to manuever. The Bender twins seemed to get totally schooled by Simak. Everyone just gave him way too much room. The Benders spent more time on the ground looking up at him than anything. Being 19 and not being able to totally run circles around a 30 year-old.
Tschauner, IMHO, spent more time diving AFTER the shots than actually being well positioned to STOP the shots. First goal he got snuck near post. He actually dove BACKWARDS in one of those theatrical I-am-diving-to-make-it-look-like-I-am-trying save attempts. Second goal he just did not position well. In his defense, his defenders laid off of the shooter WAY too much.
People lay the blame for the first goal on Berhalter. Yes, he was a bone-head and slow to make his pass and got picked at mid-field, but Benny Schwarz was WAY out of position and they had a 3v2. Worse was that when 1860 was recovering they did not mark the attackers running to space. Defense 101: On recovery one player holds the break to slow it down by playing a zone (i.e., don't force a decision too soon to allow recover) and then the recovering defenders mark up. Didn't happen.
Jena's keeper had a GREAT game. Any other day 1860 draws this game.It was in the cards. I knew Jena is not as bad as they look.

[footyfan1]

Well, here's my take:

1860 gave all Jena players WAY too much room. they played off of them way too far.

That's coaching. If Kurz saw that, he should have adjusted.

Simak was given too much room to manuever. The Bender twins seemed to get totally schooled by Simak. Everyone just gave him way too much room. The Benders spent more time on the ground looking up at him than anything. Being 19 and not being able to totally run circles around a 30 year-old.

Dude, sometimes it's not as simple as age. Especially in this game. If that 30 year-old is much cleverer than the two 19 year-olds, the 19 year-olds are going to get schooled no matter how much they can run longer, faster, etc. Just watch BVB and Nelson Valdez. You can run long and fast all day, but if you don't know what you're doing or your opponent is smarter than you, you're useless.



Tschauner, IMHO, spent more time diving AFTER the shots than actually being well positioned to STOP the shots. First goal he got snuck near post. He actually dove BACKWARDS in one of those theatrical I-am-diving-to-make-it-look-like-I-am-trying save attempts. Second goal he just did not position well. In his defense, his defenders laid off of the shooter WAY too much.


I warned about this guy. In my opinion, he athletic ability but not the smarts to be a very good keeper. Tschauner reminds me a lot of Darius Kampa. Kampa was once thought to be Germany's best U-21 keeper, but never learned the tactical and positioning aspects of the goalkeeping game and is now pulling smelly toilet duty at Unterhaching. ;)


People lay the blame for the first goal on Berhalter. Yes, he was a bone-head and slow to make his pass and got picked at mid-field, but Benny Schwarz was WAY out of position and they had a 3v2. Worse was that when 1860 was recovering they did not mark the attackers running to space. Defense 101: On recovery one player holds the break to slow it down by playing a zone (i.e., don't force a decision too soon to allow recover) and then the recovering defenders mark up. Didn't happen.

Or when all else fails, commit a foul. But, I can't talk much because I didn't see it. That is why I'm asking questions here.


Jena's keeper had a GREAT game. Any other day 1860 draws this game.

That guy is an 1. Liga keeper on a 2. Liga team. He's one of the huge reasons for their DFB Pokal run too. I expect any 1. Liga team who needs a keeper to be on that guy.


It was in the cards. I knew Jena is not as bad as they look.

Yep. Exactly why I called the defeat and didn't bother attending the match.

Of course, I was hoping to be wrong..... :o

[LoewenBoy]

A few interesting rumors from various sources:

Kurz: Marco has been making several statements in local papers that his focus for the summer is to find experienced players (~24-28) who can bolster the youth of the team. Focus may be on attackers, central defense and outside defenders.
Baier: The AZ is saying that Danny Baier is unhappy with his lack of playing time at Wolfburg and may welcome a return to 1860.
Lauth: Recent statements by Lauth saying that a return to Sechzig would be something he would entertain still are out there. Recent follow-up statements by Reuter/Ziffzer saying in essence, "the ball is in his court" are further fanning the flames.
Goektan: The Az reported that Ziffzer, ever the protagonist, stated that if they sold Goektan it would be this summer since he would command a better price now. We was quoted as saying, "every man has his price". I am wondering if he is not saying this simple to signal to other teams Goektan is available. The fans would $hit if he left and would hang Ziffzer.
Fuerth: Seems 1860 is courting two players at Fuerth, one defender and one midfielder.
Wolff: Web rumor he may extend and then go next year to SJ in MLS. No proof of this.Anyone heard of any others?

[footyfan1]

A few interesting rumors from various sources:

1860 rumors? They have those? ;)


Kurz: Marco has been making several statements in local papers that his focus for the summer is to find experienced players (~24-28) who can bolster the youth of the team. Focus may be on attackers, central defense and outside defenders.

Reuter has said this quite a few times too. That they have enough youth, now they need experience.


Baier: The AZ is saying that Danny Baier is unhappy with his lack of playing time at Wolfburg and may welcome a return to 1860.

Will Magath let him go free? I doubt it......


Lauth: Recent statements by Lauth saying that a return to Sechzig would be something he would entertain still are out there. Recent follow-up statements by Reuter/Ziffzer saying in essence, "the ball is in his court" are further fanning the flames.

Lauth would entertain it because no one else wants his sorry ass......


Goektan: The Az reported that Ziffzer, ever the protagonist, stated that if they sold Goektan it would be this summer since he would command a better price now. We was quoted as saying, "every man has his price". I am wondering if he is not saying this simple to signal to other teams Goektan is available. The fans would $hit if he left and would hang Ziffzer.

The fans would get over it. I believe it's just talk. I don't believe there is any demand for Göktan in the 1. Liga. Unless one of the promotees wants him.

Or I could be wrong and KSC could be interested in him to replace Tamas Hajnal, who is moving to BVB.....



Fuerth: Seems 1860 is courting two players at Fuerth, one defender and one midfielder.

The defender is left back Timo Achenbach. Reuter knows Achenbach from Achenbach's time at BVB. I would have thought the midfielder would be Martin Lanig, but Lanig has all but signed with VfB Stuttgart. I'm thinking it might be Germany U-21 D-Mid Juri Judt??


Wolff: Web rumor he may extend and then go next year to SJ in MLS. No proof of this.

Wouldn't know anything here either.


Anyone heard of any others?

As I said earlier, until you posted this, I didn't know 1860 rumors existed. LOL!!

[russ99]

A few interesting rumors from various sources:

Kurz: Marco has been making several statements in local papers that his focus for the summer is to find experienced players (~24-28) who can bolster the youth of the team. Focus may be on attackers, central defense and outside defenders.
Baier: The AZ is saying that Danny Baier is unhappy with his lack of playing time at Wolfburg and may welcome a return to 1860.
Lauth: Recent statements by Lauth saying that a return to Sechzig would be something he would entertain still are out there. Recent follow-up statements by Reuter/Ziffzer saying in essence, "the ball is in his court" are further fanning the flames.
Goektan: The Az reported that Ziffzer, ever the protagonist, stated that if they sold Goektan it would be this summer since he would command a better price now. We was quoted as saying, "every man has his price". I am wondering if he is not saying this simple to signal to other teams Goektan is available. The fans would $hit if he left and would hang Ziffzer.
Fuerth: Seems 1860 is courting two players at Fuerth, one defender and one midfielder.
Wolff: Web rumor he may extend and then go next year to SJ in MLS. No proof of this.Anyone heard of any others?

Interesting stuff.

Göktan better not get sold... Ziffzer should shut up and let Reuter do his job. I gotta wonder at what point Reuter gets fed up with his meddling and goes back to Dortmund? It would be a dark day in Giesing.

Hopefully Wolff will go back to MLS in the July window. He's not impressed me with 1860, and I'm a fan since his days with the Fire. I wonder what non-fans think of him... Baier would be a heck of a replacement, but I'm not sure if 1860 has the cash to buy him back.

I'd be all for a return of Benny, but we can't expect to get back the same player who left and shouldn't have to pay a salary/fee accordingly.

A transfer focus on solidifying defense & central defense?? That's out of character for Sechzig, but we'll see...

2 questions:

Since Schroth is likely done, will he be taken off the payroll after the season?

Also, the brass can't be pleased with Tschauner's play since his contract was renewed. I thought Hofmann would be hanging them up after this season, especially after his injury. So are there any interesting keeper rumors floating around (Lehmann?), or is Michi considering playing yet another year? Can they sell off Tschauner to some unsuspecting club? :p

[LoewenBoy]

Göktan better not get sold... Ziffzer should shut up and let Reuter do his job.
Ziffzer is Ziffzer. Remember this is the guy who wanted to run 1860 like a corporation. He runs his mouth off at times and then other reel him back in.

Hopefully Wolff will go back to MLS in the July window. He's not impressed me with 1860, and I'm a fan since his days with the Fire. I wonder what non-fans think of him...
I actually think Wolff has done ok. He is not a goal scoring machine but he is Mr. Hustle and has shown some prowess I did not see in Chitown for setting up nice goals. My bet is he stays, keeps the European petigree for another year and then goes back to MLS to finish his career. 1860 lacks speed on the outside and Zeigenbein is all but done at 1860. He is really the only other outside who can keep pace with Wolff.

Baier would be a heck of a replacement, but I'm not sure if 1860 has the cash to buy him back.
A quote from an 1860 Board: "Lord please, not this Diva again!":cool: Think that pretty much sums up The Faithful's perception of Baier. Not to mention he gets whistled upon visits back to Muenchen.

I'd be all for a return of Benny, but we can't expect to get back the same player who left and shouldn't have to pay a salary/fee accordingly.
Depends. Last thing we need is another iffy, injury-prone player. I would rather put money in a lesser name but even talent.

A transfer focus on solidifying defense & central defense?? That's out of character for Sechzig, but we'll see...
Kurz and Reuter are not typical 1860 leaders....thank God. They are trying to build a different mentality.


Since Schroth is likely done, will he be taken off the payroll after the season?
Dunno. IF he can come back they will likely keep him to contract. If he has an injury like Agostino or Cerny they will likely retire them like they did him.

Also, the brass can't be pleased with Tschauner's play since his contract was renewed. I thought Hofmann would be hanging them up after this season, especially after his injury. So are there any interesting keeper rumors floating around (Lehmann?), or is Michi considering playing yet another year? Can they sell off Tschauner to some unsuspecting club? :p
Tschauner= Been ok but still shaky.
Hoffmann= Extended on more year. Thank God!!!
Roessl= Really progressing nicely and on Tschauner's a$$ should he flop
Others= Contract extensions for Tschauner and Roessl signal to me they are not looking for an old dog to come into the house.

[footyfan1]

Interesting stuff.

Certainly was.

Göktan better not get sold... Ziffzer should shut up and let Reuter do his job. I gotta wonder at what point Reuter gets fed up with his meddling and goes back to Dortmund? It would be a dark day in Giesing.

When a club is in the precarious cash position that 1860 is in, if someone offers good money for a player, you've gotta take it. Even if that player is Berkant Göktan. Sorry man, but that is reality.

I think Ziffzer simply answered a question honestly. He didn't say there were offers for Göktan and I don't think there will be. There are other, better players out there for 1. Liga teams.


Hopefully Wolff will go back to MLS in the July window. He's not impressed me with 1860, and I'm a fan since his days with the Fire. I wonder what non-fans think of him...


Josh reminds me too much of Nelson Valdez. And if you want to know what I think of Nelson Valdez, just wander over to the BVB forum.

Josh, like Nelson, runs all day long, but is almost never in the right place at the right time.


Baier would be a heck of a replacement, but I'm not sure if 1860 has the cash to buy him back.

That is the problem...


I'd be all for a return of Benny, but we can't expect to get back the same player who left and shouldn't have to pay a salary/fee accordingly.

Then you won't get him back. That's some serious rationalization there bro. Almost scary. What 1860 is "not asking" Lauth to do is get himself out of his contract.

And you will get the "same player" who left. Lauth didn't all of a sudden lose talent after leaving 1860. He was never that good to begin with. When you're the sole focus of a team's offense, if you have the least little bit of talent, of course you're going to score some goals. And guess what? That's exactly what he has. The least little bit of talent. He's also not the brightest bulb on the pitch if you know what I mean.....

Also, you don't have a Thomas Haessler to open things up for him now either.

There is a reason Benny Lauth has FAILED MISERABLY everywhere he's been since leaving 1860. And I just gave it to you.



A transfer focus on solidifying defense & central defense?? That's out of character for Sechzig, but we'll see...

Means management knows what they're doing for a change. I wish we had that at my club.......



2 questions:

Since Schroth is likely done, will he be taken off the payroll after the season?

I don't think so. I think they'll do all they can to get him back on the pitch. If they realize he cannot play again, he'll take himself off the payroll by retiring.


Also, the brass can't be pleased with Tschauner's play since his contract was renewed. I thought Hofmann would be hanging them up after this season, especially after his injury. So are there any interesting keeper rumors floating around (Lehmann?), or is Michi considering playing yet another year? Can they sell off Tschauner to some unsuspecting club? :p

Hofmann is still under contract for next season. 1860 covered their asses well. Kudos to Herr Reuter. However, I think Tschauner is going to get every opportunity to show them he can be the keeper the club needs. Personally, I think he won't be and I've laid out the reasons I believe that before.

I haven't heard any rumors with 1860. I don't think any other club would be stupid enough to "buy" Tschauner unless they have a pre-season emergency.

And with Lehmann, anything can happen. What is almost certain is that his Arsenal days are done. There really are no big club openings here in Germany. I wouldn't put it past Lehmann to either sign with another English club or retire altogether after the European Championship tournament this summer.

I also wouldn't put it past him to settle his family in the Munich area, send his kids to one of the international schools in the area and play for 1860.

In other words, I just can't get a feel on what Lehmann will do.

I don't think anyone really can......

[russ99]

Then you won't get him back. That's some serious rationalization there bro. Almost scary. What 1860 is "not asking" Lauth to do is get himself out of his contract.

And you will get the "same player" who left. Lauth didn't all of a sudden lose talent after leaving 1860. He was never that good to begin with. When you're the sole focus of a team's offense, if you have the least little bit of talent, of course you're going to score some goals. And guess what? That's exactly what he has. The least little bit of talent. He's also not the brightest bulb on the pitch if you know what I mean.....

Also, you don't have a Thomas Haessler to open things up for him now either.

There is a reason Benny Lauth has FAILED MISERABLY everywhere he's been since leaving 1860. And I just gave it to you.

Huge props on the Lauth issue. Agree completely, despite my drastic generalization. :D

Oh what I wouldn't give to get a #10 the caliber of Icke Häßler playing for 1860 again...
Speaking of which, Does BVB have a CAM they don't need anymore? :p

[LoewenBoy]

Huge props on the Lauth issue. Agree completely, despite my drastic generalization. :D

Oh what I wouldn't give to get a #10 the caliber of Icke Häßler playing for 1860 again...
Speaking of which, Does BVB have a CAM they don't need anymore? :p
Goektan is the CAM we need and likely the one we will keep around. He is fast, good dribbler, good free kicks, excellent field vision, etc. He is no Icke but the best we can do.

What we need is an Onyewu or Gibbs in the back. I would like to see those two brothers play for 1860 in defense. I would venture with Gooch and Mate on the inside, Gibb and Schwarz on the outside, we would have the best defense in the 2.BL.

Ah, day dreaming.....what a fun sport.