Re: Die Löwen!!! TSV 1860 München Official Thread 07/08[R]

[LoewenBoy]

How much longer is Göktan out for??
They will not say. This season they have been playing that close to the vest. Kurz has waited in many cases until game day to announce who is starting...at least to the press. Seems he enjoys surprising his oppenents, whereas Schachner (now no longer coach of Kaernten as he has destroyed THAT team too) loved to announce every boil, blister and bump to Die Stern on an hourly basis.

My guess is Berki is back in the team in two weeks. Not sure if he will make him play a few II matches first or not. I wouldn't. He's a pro....get him back in the saddle. Even at 25% he is better than Kucukovic.

[footyfan1]

Did you see the look in his eyes? Look in the DFB Pokal thread for the video. He looks anything BUT confident before the PK. He even looks relieved that it went in after Floppery took it. I would like to think Hoffmann would had done better but who knows. Its 50/50 on those things but Hoffmann might have gamed it up a bit. Tschauner looked like he was paying homage to him. Homage to him? You're drunk....now let's go to the stonning.:D


Well, I've stated often enough here that in my opinion Tschauner should not be the future of goalkeeping at 1860. If they are really going to go with him, he'd better develop some backbone.

I said in the first half of the season that Tschauner looks too shaky to me. He has all the athletic talent in the world, but he's never struck me as supremely confident in his abilities and any keeper at even the 2. Liga level has to have that arrogance. Especially to control his goal area.

As I also said, he was beaten out at FCN by Rafael Schaefer, who currently has his ass planted firmly to the Stuttgart bench and Daniel Klewer, who really is only good for stopping penalties. Tschauner reminds me of Schaefer the most. Plenty of talent, but very little confidence or arrogance. Klewer doesn't have have the talent of the other two, but he has the will and arrogance and that's what keeps him at FCN.

Tschauner would be a nice backup, but I wouldn't trust him to carry the team for any real stretch. Not until he starts to show some attitude.

I think Hofmann would have challenged the cheating scumbag and probably would have gotten a red card for throttling the arrogant scumbag after that cheeky second conversion.

[LoewenBoy]

Well, I've stated often enough here that in my opinion Tschauner should not be the future of goalkeeping at 1860. If they are really going to go with him, he'd better develop some backbone.
Play the van Buyten clip from eyep-tv.de (http://www.eyep-tv.de/bundesliga/fc-bayern-munchen/fcb---1860-daniel-van-buyten-nach-dem-pokal-fight.html) and listen to him talk about how everyone could see how nervous Tschauner was during the PK. I mean, he notes how noticeable it was for THEM. Showing that nervousness is like raw meat to a Tiger for players of the caliber....they FEED on it.

[footyfan1]

Kurz is probably afraid Wolff is going to get hurt again.


Kurz is probably afraid Wolff just isn't f#cking good enough.

I'm sure Kurz was afraid that he would lose his best outside midfielder Daniel Bierofka for the rest of the season as he played with a damaged ankle on Sunday, but Kurz played him anyway.

[panicfc]

I didn't think Wolff was up to it when he signed.

[LoewenBoy]

I didn't think Wolff was up to it when he signed.
His contract is up in June and the younger players are showing they can play. I think the fact a healthy Wolff is sitting on the bench means they will likely not resign him unless the price drops a great deal AND they feel they need him. Clearly not using a third sub in Sunday's game when guys like Mustafa were not performing does not bode well for Josh's future at Sechzig.

[footyfan1]

I didn't think Wolff was up to it when he signed.

I hoped he could and I think he can still play on this team as an outside winger.

But apparently Kurz doesn't think so and his opinion is the best along with being the only one that counts. ;)

[russ99]

I hoped he could and I think he can still play on this team as an outside winger.

But apparently Kurz doesn't think so and his opinion is the best along with being the only one that counts. ;)

Well, I think Josh's biggest problem is that he was a striker pretty much exclusively in MLS, and obviously he's not good enough to keep the same role overseas.

Plus he's been really injury prone. If he got a few healthy months together and kept himself in the lineup with good consistent play, he'd have a better chance of staying.

All in all, I think the club has better options for next season.

[footyfan1]

Well, I think Josh's biggest problem is that he was a striker pretty much exclusively in MLS, and obviously he's not good enough to keep the same role overseas.

Plus he's been really injury prone. If he got a few healthy months together and kept himself in the lineup with good consistent play, he'd have a better chance of staying.

All in all, I think the club has better options for next season.



Dude, Josh was healthy "for a few months" earlier in the season. He seemed to be all over the place. I held off because I wanted one of "our boys" to make it at 1860. Josh is plenty good enough to play here in the 2. Liga, but he may not be good enough to play for 1860 with the club's aspirations.

I think he'd actually be good for someone like Kaiserslautern. With the number of Americans in the area and two Canadians on the team, it might be a good fit for him too.

[footyfan1]

Heard diSalvo might play tonight......

[LoewenBoy]

My thoughts....such that they are:

Tschauner had a good match but showed again why he is unstable in goal at times. Just not a rock that one expects. How much is Lehmann?
Thorandt is looking for new and interesting ways to conceed goals and PKs. Did he room with Berhalter too much last season? Did the soccer-sucking alien that inhabited Gregg's body take over Thorandt like the Crab People from South Park that took over the Queer Eye guys a few seasons back?
Torben looks funny as shiite when he tries to run at full speed. Note to Torben: You are not 22 and you are a defender....leave the galloping runs upfield to Johnson and Benny Schwarz.
Fabian and Benny are showing why they are so damn valuable. Those kids can play any mifdield or defensive position and play it well. To think they were U19s 18 months or so ago and barely getting playing time with the IIs is amazing.
Lars/Sven....or is it Sven/Lars? Dunno....used to be you could tell them apart in their play at least. They both had solid matches. I thought Sven hard done to be subbed with Wolff but we needed some speed on the right which Sven does not have.
Danny Schwarz had a solid game in the middle. Not a classic #10 but there are no dellusions there. He shut down what he needed to and set the ball forward.
Bierofka was all over the field. Had anyone told me he was playing on an ankle that looke like a large, blue grapefruit I would have called them a liar. Just hope he is not doing more harm than good playing on it.
Holebas is young and proving he is more a striker than a set-up man. The experience in playing is helping him though.
Kucukovic....or as I call him "the Carsten Jancker of 1860" is nothing more than a shirt-pulling, offsides-living, lead-footed, plodding striker who my 7 year-old daughter could mark out. He should have put away the 1v1 in the first half...but his first touch skills, taught to him by the great Jancker himself, failed him so miserably that the keeper had time for a smoke, cup of espresso and a pi$$ before he trotted out to swallow up the ball.
Wolff was there but lacked ideas.
Pagenburg should have been sent on MUCH earlier.
DiSalvo....good to see him back...not much time to play but looked healthy.Them's my comments and I am sticking to them.:cool:

[footyfan1]

My thoughts....such that they are:

Tschauner had a good match but showed again why he is unstable in goal at times. Just not a rock that one expects.

I thought the same thing, but Kurz must be thinking differently because he named Tschauner the new #1.

Kicker Article On Tschauner Being Named #1 (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/2bundesliga/startseite/artikel/376112/)


How much is Lehmann?

Free transfer after the season. Salary might be an issue with him though. And I'm pretty sure he'll want an 1. Liga job.


Thorandt is looking for new and interesting ways to conceed goals and PKs. Did he room with Berhalter too much last season? Did the soccer-sucking alien that inhabited Gregg's body take over Thorandt like the Crab People from South Park that took over the Queer Eye guys a few seasons back?

Growing pains.......


Torben looks funny as shiite when he tries to run at full speed. Note to Torben: You are not 22 and you are a defender....leave the galloping runs upfield to Johnson and Benny Schwarz.

Torben tries. Leave him alone. He might not know he's "SPECIAL!" LMAO!!! :D


Fabian and Benny are showing why they are so damn valuable. Those kids can play any mifdield or defensive position and play it well. To think they were U19s 18 months or so ago and barely getting playing time with the IIs is amazing.

Youth can adapt. But yes, I'd hate to see where 1860 would be without them.


Lars/Sven....or is it Sven/Lars? Dunno....used to be you could tell them apart in their play at least. They both had solid matches. I thought Sven hard done to be subbed with Wolff but we needed some speed on the right which Sven does not have.

Totally agree here. Sven is performing better with experience and I too would be able to tell them apart by performance on the pitch.


Danny Schwarz had a solid game in the middle. Not a classic #10 but there are no dellusions there. He shut down what he needed to and set the ball forward.

This is where Goektan will return to......


Bierofka was all over the field. Had anyone told me he was playing on an ankle that looked like a large, blue grapefruit I would have called them a liar. Just hope he is not doing more harm than good playing on it.

He's manning up for the club. Sign of a true leader.



Holebas is young and proving he is more a striker than a set-up man. The experience in playing is helping him though.

Of course. And he has pretty good potential.


Kucukovic....or as I call him "the Carsten Jancker of 1860" is nothing more than a shirt-pulling, offsides-living, lead-footed, plodding striker who my 7 year-old daughter could mark out. He should have put away the 1v1 in the first half...but his first touch skills, thought to him by the great Jancker himself, failed him so miserably that the keeper had time for a smoke, cup of espresso and a pi$$ before he trotted out to swallow up the ball.

Agree totally! Even that Katie could mark him out! LOL!! I'll tell you what, I think 1860 should look at Pauli's striker Sako. He needs some bringing along, but if the right team develops that guy, they could have a freakin' star on their hands.


Wolff was there but lacked ideas.

As usual.......


Pagenburg should have been sent on MUCH earlier.

And should be tried at central striker. He did some decent work for FCN there.......

[LoewenBoy]

I thought the same thing, but Kurz must be thinking differently because he named Tschauner the new #1.

Kicker Article On Tschauner Being Named #1 (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/2bundesliga/startseite/artikel/376112/)

Oddly enough this is not a tough decision for Kurz. He knows Hoffmann is out of contract in June. We are 5 points off the race right now and Kurz is smart enough to know he needs to try or fail with the keeper that will be around next season. It would be interesting if Sechzig -- were they in one of the top three with Hoffmann healthy -- would still turn to Tschuaner or not. Academic at this point since we are not.

Got to say I am really, REALLY impressed with what Reuter & Company have done with 1860. When you think last year we were celebrating the fact we had no debt, and two years ago we were wondering how we were going to pay our bills; we have come a long, long way.

Here's hoping we can keep Herr Reuter happy at Grunwalderstrasse.

[footyfan1]

Oddly enough this is not a tough decision for Kurz. He knows Hoffmann is out of contract in June. We are 5 points off the race right now and Kurz is smart enough to know he needs to try or fail with the keeper that will be around next season. It would be interesting if Sechzig -- were they in one of the top three with Hoffmann healthy -- would still turn to Tschuaner or not. Academic at this point since we are not.

If they were in the top three, I don't think they change a thing. But I still think this team is going to make a run at the top three before it is all said and done.....


Got to say I am really, REALLY impressed with what Reuter & Company have done with 1860. When you think last year we were celebrating the fact we had no debt, and two years ago we were wondering how we were going to pay our bills; we have come a long, long way.

Here's hoping we can keep Herr Reuter happy at Grunwalderstrasse.

I think the only job he'd consider leaving for is the Dortmund job and my idiots just extended with idiot Zorc for another year. I think "Herr Reuter" considers 1860 his life project now. I don't think he's going anywhere.

Now that I think of it, I think even if our crazy "boss" Watzke finally fired Michael Zorc, Reuter still would not leave 1860. I'm sure he'd rather deal with the money problems at 1860 than work for the dishonest, meddling bastard that is Watzke.

[LoewenBoy]

Now that I think of it, I think even if our crazy "boss" Watzke finally fired Michael Zorc, Reuter still would not leave 1860. I'm sure he'd rather deal with the money problems at 1860 than work for the dishonest, meddling bastard that is Watzke.
I am not sure money will be an issue while Reuter/Ziffzer are around. They both believe in good-old frugal economics:

Pay your bills
Do not live beyond your means
Treat business partners with respect
Do your research on your business partners
Buy only what you need
Do not waste anything
When in trouble do not hide your head in the sand, talk to your creditorsTotal Ben Franklin all the way. The key reasons we are solvent and staying that way. Hell, we even have $$ on hand now.

[footyfan1]

I am not sure money will be an issue while Reuter/Ziffzer are around. They both believe in good-old frugal economics:

Pay your bills
Do not live beyond your means
Treat business partners with respect
Do your research on your business partners
Buy only what you need
Do not waste anything
When in trouble do not hide your head in the sand, talk to your creditorsTotal Ben Franklin all the way. The key reasons we are solvent and staying that way. Hell, we even have $$ on hand now.



No argument from me. I think they are doing the best management job in Deutschland....

[russ99]

I dunno. I'm a bit disheartened at the results the last 2 weeks.

I thought the Bayern match would give them a big push, but they're just not putting the ball in the net enough.

I'd think we need to score a bit more against supposedly lesser clubs to really make a push for a top 3 spot, but considering our good creative attackers are injured, and Bierofka's playing on a messed up ankle, that probably is to be expected.

Maybe a healthy Göktan and DiSalvo makes that a bit more possible.

I'm totally with that idea that Pagenburg should be at striker. IMO, they've been playing him out of position. Can't be any worse than our other options this week.

[LoewenBoy]

I dunno. I'm a bit disheartened at the results the last 2 weeks.
Dude, you expectations are WAY too high. :D

With all the injuries to the starters and the team being held together by 18, 19 and 20 year olds, I am happy we have not dropped MORE points.

0-0 Away at Pauli...they are not easy on the road.
0-0 Home to Aachen...always a tough match.
0-0 Away to Koeln....holy crap i LOVE this result.
0-1 Home to Hoffenheim....the hottest team in the 2.BL right now AND we were robbed 1) of a PK and 2) that ball was NEVER over the line....but I can still live with this.
1-2 Away win at FCK.....love this one.
3-0 Away loss to Augsburg...that hurt.

So when you look at it our band of misfit, half trampled, very young players....all playing out of position for the most part....have not conceded more than 1 goal in a game for 5 matches. Toss in the DFB cup win against Aachen and the robbery that occured in Froettmaning, and you have a young team that has conceded very few goals against some very good competition.

I won't even address scoring goals because, for me, there is no expectation there. I have been a coach long enought to realize that any team missing so many players -- key players in key positions -- should not expect the ball to fall in the net.

I guess now is not a good time to say Schroth is out for the season is it?:cool:

[footyfan1]

Dude, you expectations are WAY too high. :D

With all the injuries to the starters and the team being held together by 18, 19 and 20 year olds, I am happy we have not dropped MORE points.

0-0 Away at Pauli...they are not easy on the road.
0-0 Home to Aachen...always a tough match.
0-0 Away to Koeln....holy crap i LOVE this result.
0-1 Home to Hoffenheim....the hottest team in the 2.BL right now AND we were robbed 1) of a PK and 2) that ball was NEVER over the line....but I can still live with this.
1-2 Away win at FCK.....love this one.
3-0 Away loss to Augsburg...that hurt.

So when you look at it our band of misfit, half trampled, very young players....all playing out of position for the most part....have not conceded more than 1 goal in a game for 5 matches. Toss in the DFB cup win against Aachen and the robbery that occured in Froettmaning, and you have a young team that has conceded very few goals against some very good competition.

I won't even address scoring goals because, for me, there is no expectation there. I have been a coach long enought to realize that any team missing so many players -- key players in key positions -- should not expect the ball to fall in the net.


THANK YOU!! You put it better than I could have! And I was waiting to have enough time to break it down for him!!



I guess now is not a good time to say Schroth is out for the season is it?:cool:

Why not? It's not like he's done anything for the team this season........

[LoewenBoy]

THANK YOU!! You put it better than I could have! And I was waiting to have enough time to break it down for him!!
I think Runn99 knows all that too. I share his disappointment at the lack of scoring, as I know you do too. But damn....an 1860 defense that shuts out three teams, practically shuts down the hottest team in the 2.BL, takes the millionares of Bayern to 120 mins and conceed a PK?!?!?!?!? All with scrubs who are younger than the planter's wart on my foot??? To that I stand up, applaud and say "bring on next season, baby, 'cause when this team is healthy we are top o'the table!!!!!"

Any care to remember the last time an 1860 defense was soooo stable? Think 1966, 'cause historically we SUCK at defense. Check the table, boys....this defense has allowed the second fewest goals ALL season. In seasons past at this point we had given up 30+ goals....even in 04/05 when we came in 4th. This team is doing it right...we are just snake-bit with injuries. Rmember the last 2 seasons when injuries happened? The rueckrunde was a free fall to near-bottom of the table. The only thing keeping us from going into the kellar were 4 teams utterly worse than we were. Now? Now we have depth. Young depth. Young, fast, signed for the next three years depth. Sound hopeful? do I sound giddy? Damn friggin'r right!!!! I could care less if we get promoted this season. Why? Because I want this team to gel. I want this team to learn, build experience so we are not promoted/relegated in the same 12 month span. I don't want the deep pockets of Bayern to come raiding us too early. I want success....long term success. They type of financial success one only sees in China these days.:D

Enough of this gay banter....I am off to another meaningless 4 hour conference call with some group of guys named Rajiv who have replaced the 2 guys I have been working with for 5 years all because labor is cheaper in Banglore....though there is a far greater chance of beaing eaten by a tiger there than in downtown Chicago....apparently.:rolleyes: