Zidane or Riquelme?

[TKORL]

As I repeatedly stated, you've missed my argument and everything I said in followup....but ok.

[erick]

Just so you know, Zidane retired. So saying Riquelme is the second best shooter has no relevance in their comparison.

true but i think that kaka and rona are way better then zidane even when he played and c. ronaldo is way better then both of them.

[Jr Galaxy]

Ronaldo,Messi and Kaka are the greats of today. they have been great for their club, but once they win one or multiple major international/domestic title(word cup,euro,etc) they cant be considered all time greats. Zidane was great for a decade(3 time world player of the year), lets see how long c ronaldo and kaka can keep it up, then we will see where they rank. For now Zidane's accomplishments for club and country speak for themselves.

A few years ago people were saying ronaldinho was the greatest, but recently he has declined. 3-4 years of greatness doesn't equal all time legend status IMO.

Riquelme is a great talent, but in our world most measure greatness with winning the "big one". Most if not all the greats won them, Pele,Maradona,Jordan,Ruth,Montana,Payton, list is endless.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Zidane was great for a decade(3 time world player of the year).

The reality is that Zidane was only great for 2-3 years.

[Perú FC]

The reality is that Zidane was only great for 2-3 years.
It's really interesting your reality Teso :D.

[phil80]

It's really interesting your reality Teso :D.
Now, I know we all have differences in opinion on this topic, but can we all at least concur that Zidane IS among the top 250 players of all time? Contrary to what Teso so foolishly claims.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

My list is still incoming.

[TKORL]

The reality is that Zidane was only great for 2-3 years.
Heh, that's quite a case shift from "Zidane is trash" to "Zidane was great 2-3 years"

Being a great player for 2-3 years is an accomplishment.

[Perú FC]

Heh, that's quite a case shift from "Zidane is trash" to "Zidane was great 2-3 years"
Being a great player for 2-3 years is an accomplishment.
:D :D

[Ronaldo:el phenomeno]

wow such a debate??? Riquelme has not accomplished a thing, and I mean a thing. Astonishing to see such an intense discussion. Zidane is one of the greatest players in the world, Riquelme probably the greatest in his family.

[Moishe]

wow such a debate??? Riquelme has not accomplished a thing, and I mean a thing. Astonishing to see such an intense discussion. Zidane is one of the greatest players in the world, Riquelme probably the greatest in his family.

He hasn't accomplished a thing huh?

* 2007 Copa Libertadores' Most Valuable Player
* 2007 Copa Libertadores (Boca Juniors)
* 2006 Nominated for FIFA World Player of the Year
* 2005 Nominated for FIFA World Player of the Year
* 2004 UEFA Intertoto Cup (Villarreal CF)
* 2001 Copa Libertadores (Boca Juniors)
* 2001 South American Footballer of the Year
* 2000 Argentine Apertura Championship (Boca Juniors)
* 2000 Intercontinental Cup (Boca Juniors)
* 2000 Copa Libertadores (Boca Juniors)
* 1999 Argentine Clausura Championship (Boca Juniors)
* 1998 Argentine Apertura Championship (Boca Juniors)
* 1997 FIFA's World Youth Championship (under-20)
* Semi-Final Champions League (carried team)

Thanks for getting that cleared up for us:rolleyes:

[Ronaldo:el phenomeno]

He hasn't accomplished a thing huh?

* 2007 Copa Libertadores' Most Valuable Player
* 2007 Copa Libertadores (Boca Juniors)
* 2006 Nominated for FIFA World Player of the Year
* 2005 Nominated for FIFA World Player of the Year
* 2004 UEFA Intertoto Cup (Villarreal CF)
* 2001 Copa Libertadores (Boca Juniors)
* 2001 South American Footballer of the Year
* 2000 Argentine Apertura Championship (Boca Juniors)
* 2000 Intercontinental Cup (Boca Juniors)
* 2000 Copa Libertadores (Boca Juniors)
* 1999 Argentine Clausura Championship (Boca Juniors)
* 1998 Argentine Apertura Championship (Boca Juniors)
* 1997 FIFA's World Youth Championship (under-20)
* Semi-Final Champions League (carried team)

Thanks for getting that cleared up for us:rolleyes:

Zidane
Club

* Girondins de Bordeaux
o UEFA Cup
+ Runners Up: 1995-1996
o UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1995
* Juventus F.C.
o Serie A: 1996-1997, 1997-1998
o European Super Cup: 1996
o International Cup: 1996
o Italian Super Cup: 1997
o UEFA Champions League
+ Runners Up: 1996-1997, 1997-1998
* Real Madrid
o La Liga: 2002-2003
o UEFA Champions League: 2001/2002
o International Cup: 2002
o European Super Cup: 2002
o Spanish Super Cup: 2001, 2003

Country

* Flag of France France
o FIFA World Cup: 1998
+ Runner Up: 2006
o European Championship: 2000

Individual

* UEFA Club Football Awards, Best Midfielder: 1997/1998
* World Soccer Player of the Year: 1998
* FIFA World Player of the Year: 1998, 2000, 2003
* FIFA Silver World Player of the Year: 2006
* FIFA Bronze World Player of the Year: 1997, 2002
* European Footballer of the Year (Ballon d'Or): 1998
* UEFA Champions League Most Valuable Player: 2001/2002
* UEFA Golden Jubilee Poll (Best European player of the past 50 years): 2004
* FIFA World Cup Golden Ball Award: 2006
* FIFPro World XI Team: 2005, 2006
* Onze d'Or: 1998, 2000, 2001
* UEFA European Championship Player of the Tournament: 2000
* FIFA All-Star Team: 1998, 2006
* UEFA BEST XI: 2001, 2002, 2003
* Chevalier (Knight) of the Légion d'honneur: since 1998[49]
* Torchbearer for the 2004 Summer Olympics
* Prince of Asturias Awards nomination in the Sports category, 2006.[50]

Compare :eek::)

P.S and when I said he hasn't won a thing, I meant in comparison to Zidane.

[gunners123]

i think is zidan becose he is graet player

[bosterosoy]

Zidane
Club

* Girondins de Bordeaux
o UEFA Cup
+ Runners Up: 1995-1996
o UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1995
* Juventus F.C.
o Serie A: 1996-1997, 1997-1998
o European Super Cup: 1996
o International Cup: 1996
o Italian Super Cup: 1997
o UEFA Champions League
+ Runners Up: 1996-1997, 1997-1998
* Real Madrid
o La Liga: 2002-2003
o UEFA Champions League: 2001/2002
o International Cup: 2002
o European Super Cup: 2002
o Spanish Super Cup: 2001, 2003

Country

* Flag of France France
o FIFA World Cup: 1998
+ Runner Up: 2006
o European Championship: 2000

Individual

* UEFA Club Football Awards, Best Midfielder: 1997/1998
* World Soccer Player of the Year: 1998
* FIFA World Player of the Year: 1998, 2000, 2003
* FIFA Silver World Player of the Year: 2006
* FIFA Bronze World Player of the Year: 1997, 2002
* European Footballer of the Year (Ballon d'Or): 1998
* UEFA Champions League Most Valuable Player: 2001/2002
* UEFA Golden Jubilee Poll (Best European player of the past 50 years): 2004
* FIFA World Cup Golden Ball Award: 2006
* FIFPro World XI Team: 2005, 2006
* Onze d'Or: 1998, 2000, 2001
* UEFA European Championship Player of the Tournament: 2000
* FIFA All-Star Team: 1998, 2006
* UEFA BEST XI: 2001, 2002, 2003
* Chevalier (Knight) of the Légion d'honneur: since 1998[49]
* Torchbearer for the 2004 Summer Olympics
* Prince of Asturias Awards nomination in the Sports category, 2006.[50]

Compare :eek::)

P.S and when I said he hasn't won a thing, I meant in comparison to Zidane.

lol I found it humorous that to make Zidane's list unquestionably larger you had to add all the runner-ups

[Ronaldo:el phenomeno]

lol I found it humorous that to make Zidane's list unquestionably larger you had to add all the runner-ups

And the poster I responded to had included Riquelme's "nominations" for the Fifa World Player of the Year award, and that made look Riquelme's honours list bigger. I just returned the compliment.

[Moishe]

And the poster I responded to had included Riquelme's "nominations" for the Fifa World Player of the Year award, and that made look Riquelme's honours list bigger. I just returned the compliment.

I included two nominations yes but I also didn't include league runners-up or other things such as * Chevalier (Knight) of the Légion d'honneur: since 1998, Torchbearer for the 2004 Summer Olympics, Prince of Asturias Awards nomination in the Sports category, 2006. Zidane is a damn fine player and yes one of the best of his generation but let's not carried away. Zidane benefitted from the players he players with. I've asked the same question numerous times, but what side has Zidane actually had to put on his shoulders and carry? You could list country because it definitely was not club. As far as country, everyone of the arguments of his carrying France get also get debunked. Great players but let's not get carried away.

Furthermore when you made your post you in no way implied "Riquelme hasn't accomplished more than Zidane", you flat out stated Riquelme has not accomplished a thing. You further more went on to state Riquelme was probably the greatest in his family while Zidane was the greatest in the world. Nice back-pedaling.

[Jr Galaxy]

Maybe we can say riquelme has done very good things in his career, but not compared to Zidane. Zidane had great players around him, but he still managed to rise to the occasion when necessary and at the most important games in soccer. Being successful at the World cup/Euro/champions league says a hell of a lot compared to copa libertadores/SA notoriety. Maybe riquelme just hasnt been lucky enough to be with a better team around him,although Aregentina usually has had a great national team. We cant blame Zidane for being offered millions to be on several great teams and then being successful there. I stay say Zidane without a doubt was better in the big scheme of things.

[Ronaldo:el phenomeno]

I included two nominations yes but I also didn't include league runners-up or other things such as * Chevalier (Knight) of the Légion d'honneur: since 1998, Torchbearer for the 2004 Summer Olympics, Prince of Asturias Awards nomination in the Sports category, 2006. Zidane is a damn fine player and yes one of the best of his generation but let's not carried away. Zidane benefitted from the players he players with. I've asked the same question numerous times, but what side has Zidane actually had to put on his shoulders and carry? You could list country because it definitely was not club. As far as country, everyone of the arguments of his carrying France get also get debunked. Great players but let's not get carried away.

Furthermore when you made your post you in no way implied "Riquelme hasn't accomplished more than Zidane", you flat out stated Riquelme has not accomplished a thing. You further more went on to state Riquelme was probably the greatest in his family while Zidane was the greatest in the world. Nice back-pedaling.

Well man I am not going to get stuck into an argument, history speaks for itself, achievements speak for itself, Pele speaks for himself when putting Zidane as one of the 125 greatest living footballers, other experts and pundits speak for themselves. Zidane is a great player, admit without shame and move on.

[Moishe]

Well man I am not going to get stuck into an argument, history speaks for itself, achievements speak for itself, Pele speaks for himself when putting Zidane as one of the 125 greatest living footballers, other experts and pundits speak for themselves. Zidane is a great player, admit without shame and move on.

Let's look at this from each underlined sentence/comment;

1. If you don't want to get stuck in an argument, why did you post in the first place?

2. Pele, while one of two of the greatest players is a not job and any seasoned fan knows he talks out of his ass most of the time.

3. Aside from Teso no one has denied he's a great player but based on the hype he is overrated.

Now you can shamelessly move on.

[Ronaldo:el phenomeno]

Let's look at this from each underlined sentence/comment;

1. If you don't want to get stuck in an argument, why did you post in the first place?


Look, I posted something which is my opinion and I was not looking for an argument. You responded in a stupid way which suggested you wanted an argument. People don't have to post to get into an argument, unless you don't understand that then you shouldn't post yourself.