Zidane or Riquelme?

[elciclon]

ill contribute something since i was quoted in the beggining.

i loved roman during his run at villareal. however after the wc and the excuses of the semifinal against arsenal i started to dislike him. he has a great capacity to pass the ball and vision. but he is slow sometime both physically and mentally, there are a large amount of fast breaks that arent created beacuse of his slowness and sometimes i think he thinks about it too much. i personally love zidane much more than riquelme and think that zz is a better player. however ive seen riquelme do some crazy stuff too bad it was against teams like libertad or bandfield, or even a b team usa. and not against brazil or germany. like i said riquelme is pretty good, but the excuses and the overhype from argentine media and fans and lack of reponsability and acceptance when he fails to performe is what gets me to hate riquelme. i personally wouldnt mind seeing aimar instead of riquelme for the nt. and would get season tickets to see the galaxy if zidane is here.

We should change the title to Zidane overated or not?


Zidane is the best #10 in recent years.

And lets not compare strikers and defenders to CMs
very true this is what i thought of after the first 10 comments.

[albertini1]

Worldcup & European champion. Won Scudetto, La Liga and Champions League. FIFA player of the year 3 times.

This is ridicilous, if Zidane is not the best player in the past 15 years, could you name a few whome you think are better than zizou?

[Teso Dos Bichos]

I'll destroy your argument in two words: Roque Júnior. Sorry, let's go for just one word this time: Ronaldo. I hope you get my point. As for your 'question', try reading the entire thread instead of simply jumping into a discussion you clearly know nothing about.

[arvin sloane]

For what it's worth, my XI would be:

Rivaldo - Van Nistelrooy
Giggs - Redondo - Keane - Figo
Maldini - Nesta - Ayala - Zanetti
Schmeichel

I agree with other 10 names, but why Ayala?

[albertini1]

LoL. Ok, I'm not going to get dragged into this silly arguement. Saying Zidane is anything less than a legend is nonesense. Enough said.

[REALfootballRulez]

Zidane all the way.

[Berean Todd]

LoL. Ok, I'm not going to get dragged into this silly arguement. Saying Zidane is anything less than a legend is nonesense. Enough said.

This thread has some really idiotic replies. C'mon, Zizou is a legend, apart from pace he had just about everything you could want in a footballer. Listen here - I hate France. Not dislike, I hate it. More than that I hate Zizou, because not only did he play for the French, but for Juve-merda as well, my most hated and despised club team.

But I recognize greatness when I see it. Zizou is one of the greatest footballers of any generation, and definately about the greatest of this generation. The only person who can contend with him for greatest of the current generation would be Ronaldo.

And Zizou or Riquelme? Give me a break. I mean I have a soft spot for Argentina because of their strong Italian background, and similarity in play styles, and I even really like Riquelme. But to compare him to Zizou is preposterous.

[The Sundance Kid]

Woow, Zidane overrated !!! What's next?? Kuyt better than Maradona?

I've heard stupid arguments before, but this one is just too much.

you have to bear in mind that you're arguing with a total idiot :rolleyes:

[Teso Dos Bichos]

I agree with other 10 names, but why Ayala?

I rate him highly and feel that his abrasive style adds a different quality to the team and complements Nesta. It also adds his leadership and heading ability at both ends of the pitch.

LoL. Ok, I'm not going to get dragged into this silly arguement. Saying Zidane is anything less than a legend is nonesense. Enough said.

So you cannot refute anything posted and have therefore given up even attempting to contribute constructively? Thanks for the admission.

Zidane all the way.

Wow! - you have made my mind up... Try responding to any of my previous posts or actually contributing to the topic.

This thread has some really idiotic replies. C'mon, Zizou is a legend, apart from pace he had just about everything you could want in a footballer. Listen here - I hate France. Not dislike, I hate it. More than that I hate Zizou, because not only did he play for the French, but for Juve-merda as well, my most hated and despised club team.

But I recognize greatness when I see it. Zizou is one of the greatest footballers of any generation, and definately about the greatest of this generation. The only person who can contend with him for greatest of the current generation would be Ronaldo.

And Zizou or Riquelme? Give me a break. I mean I have a soft spot for Argentina because of their strong Italian background, and similarity in play styles, and I even really like Riquelme. But to compare him to Zizou is preposterous.

At least you added some paragraphs but stated nothing new. Again, would you care to answer any of my previous points?

you have to bear in mind that you're arguing with a total idiot :rolleyes:

You are not a total idiot, it's close but I think you are being too harsh on yourself.

[HeartandSoul]

A video someone made labeled "Zidane vs. Riquelme"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjAVh6Z8OG0


This is another video but of Enzo Francescoli, an inspirational player for people like Zidane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7XuCI5i-yM

[Ronaldob4hegotfat]

Not a fan of either but I prefer Zidane.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Care to explain why and actually contribute?

[Ronaldob4hegotfat]

As you wish your highness.

As I said, I'm not a fan of either and I don't think either were/are particularly great players. I don't feel either had truly significant positive impacts on the teams they played for. In fact I would say that Riquelme was probably the better player in this respect. There is no actual good reason for my preference. It's just the way I feel about it. Zidane was more of an aesthetic player and was at times exciting to watch. I don't feel that Riquelme was all that much better. Only slightly. If you asked me about a real great player from the last 10-15 or so years I would not be rooting for Zidane but in this case, I prefer to him over Riquelme.
Happy now?
Of course you won't be, so you can just forget I ever posted if that makes you feel better.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

As you wish your highness.

As I said, I'm not a fan of either and I don't think either were/are particularly great players. I don't feel either had truly significant positive impacts on the teams they played for. In fact I would say that Riquelme was probably the better player in this respect. There is no actual good reason for my preference. It's just the way I feel about it. Zidane was more of an aesthetic player and was at times exciting to watch. I don't feel that Riquelme was all that much better. Only slightly. If you asked me about a real great player from the last 10-15 or so years I would not be rooting for Zidane but in this case, I prefer to him over Riquelme.
Happy now?
Of course you won't be, so you can just forget I ever posted if that makes you feel better.

I'm actually quite happy because you have just proved my point. You only rate Zidane higher because of aesthetics. I have no problem with that at all and wish other Zidane fans would simply admit to doing similar.

[schmuckatelli]

It seems there are more than a few people who don't agree with Teso in comparing Zidane and Riquelme. Perhaps it would be helpful to list their accomplishments:

ZZ:
with his club -
1995 Intertoto Cup champion
1995-96 UEFA Cup finalist
1996-97 Serie A champion ("Scudetto")
1997 UEFA Champions League finalist
1997-98 Serie A champion ("Scudetto")
1998 UEFA Champions League finalist
2001 UEFA Champions League champion
with his country -
Euro 96 semifinalist
WC98 champion
Euro 2000 champion
Euro 2004 quarterfinalist
WC06 finalist
individual honors -
FIFA World Player of the Year 1998, 2000, 2003
FIFA World Player of the Year runner up 2006
FIFA World Player of the Year third place 1997, 2002
Highest transfer fee: 45.6M pounds (2001)

JRR:
with his club -
1998 Argentina Apertura champion
1999 Argentina Clausura champion
2000 Argentina Clausura champion
2000 Copa Libertadores champion
2000 Intercontinental Cup champion
2001 Copa Libertadores champion
2004 Intertoto Cup champion
2006 UEFA Champions League semifinalist
2007 Copa Libertadores champion
with his country -
1997 - U20 champion
2004 Copa America finalist
2007 Copa America finalist
individual honors -
2001 South American Player of the Year
2005 FIFA Player of the Year nominee
Highest Transfer Fee: 10M pounds (2002)

Just from this listing, it appears that Zidane has achieved more in his career than Riquelme. There are some subjective arguments that can be made, but it's questionable how well substantiated they are, beyond the facts listed above. What's clear to me is that the professionals seemed to have valued Zidane higher than Riquelme.

[Ronaldob4hegotfat]

Yes, Zidane won a lot of trophies. But he didn't exactly win them single handedly. I didn't see any of his former teams struggle when he left. If you look at all the stats for the teams he played for they neither improved or declined during or after his presence. It's all in Tribunes excellent posts in the "Zidane vs Cristiano Ronaldo" thread. Go and read for yourself.

[Koby7STAR]

Is Riquelme ever coming back to a European team

[Teso Dos Bichos]

It seems there are more than a few people who don't agree with Teso in comparing Zidane and Riquelme. Perhaps it would be helpful to list their accomplishments:

Achievements are a crock at the best of times because they are heavily dependent on the team you play for. Had you bothered to read the thread then you would have realised that and not wasted our time. Besides, while I think that both players can be easily compared my main issue here is people who rate Zidane aesthetically and then refuse to admit they have done so.

[schmuckatelli]

Achievements are a crock at the best of times because they are heavily dependent on the team you play for. Had you bothered to read the thread then you would have realised that and not wasted our time. Besides, while I think that both players can be easily compared my main issue here is people who rate Zidane aesthetically and then refuse to admit they have done so.
The problem I have with this argument is that it's purely self-serving. If one argues subjectively, "Well, that's all aesthetics." If one argues objectively, "Awards are just a crock." It's perfect: you get to win every time this way!
And I had read this thread.
Have a nice day... in your own little world, in which you're never wrong.

[Robbie Quaid]

Haha! Uh, Robbie Quaid here! Well both these players have a quality I admire which is they are play making masters! I have to give an edge to Zidane though as on a mental level he's much stronger. The only real low point in his career was what he did to that hack Materazzi but then again Materazzi was not saying flithy things about my family. To be honest had I been in that situation I would have kept my cool & stayed in the game & paid Materazzi a special visit after the world cup when he least expected it! Haha! That aside I've always enjoyed watching both Zidane & Riquelme play. They both read the game so well & seem to be a half dozen steps ahead of those they are playing against. Two players' with different styles of playing but still great to watch!:D