View Full Version : Zidane or Riquelme?
aloisius
16 Sep 2007, 03:05 PM
He has a contract with villareal but their coach doesn’t want to play him .
Pretty insane.
Just like bielsa not taking him to the 2002 world cup.
phil80
19 Sep 2007, 11:32 PM
zidane- from 97 to 06 was consistently one of the top 3 CM's in the game. riquelme-maybe one season with villareal, but not even in the top 5 as of now
brassmonkey
20 Sep 2007, 08:46 AM
zidane- from 97 to 06 was consistently one of the top 3 CM's in the game. riquelme-maybe one season with villareal, but not even in the top 5 as of now
It's over
comme
20 Sep 2007, 09:03 AM
It's over
Teso has given up for the time being, but it's only a matter of time before it starts again somewhere else.
TKORL
20 Sep 2007, 01:31 PM
Riquelme said Zidane's been the best for ten years at the top level.
Moishe
20 Sep 2007, 07:58 PM
Riquelme said Zidane's been the best for ten years at the top level.
No question Zizou has been at that level but do you honestly expect any player to say anything disrespectful of any player? Let's put it this way, Maradona and Pele have said playre "A" will/is the best player in the world about how many players and how often? That should put it in perspective for you I'd hope. I'm sure Zizou would say something equally positive about Riquelme or anyone else shy of the guy from Italy that wants to bang his sister.
CountBayesy
21 Sep 2007, 07:59 AM
Love Riquelme, but it has to be Zidane.
TKORL
21 Sep 2007, 08:05 PM
No question Zizou has been at that level but do you honestly expect any player to say anything disrespectful of any player? Let's put it this way, Maradona and Pele have said playre "A" will/is the best player in the world about how many players and how often? That should put it in perspective for you I'd hope. I'm sure Zizou would say something equally positive about Riquelme or anyone else shy of the guy from Italy that wants to bang his sister.
Well Riquelme said it out of his own accord, rather than replying to a question about Zidane.
Also, then doesn't your statement implicitly declare that Zidane was a top-class player?
Moishe
22 Sep 2007, 05:11 AM
Well Riquelme said it out of his own accord, rather than replying to a question about Zidane.
Also, then doesn't your statement implicitly declare that Zidane was a top-class player?
Actually his (Riquelme) comments were a response to a question about futballers and yes my statement implicitly states Zidane was top class player which is exactly my stance since this silly thread started. My point was that he was not in the league of the Maradona's, Pele's, Garincha....where others have put him. I however did say Roman is as good if not better by virtue of elevating the play of the folks around him. Go back and re-read my posts and my stance will be quite clear.
I've also asked the question numerous times without response. What one player did Zidane elevate that would never have blown up so to say if it wasn't for Zidane?
TKORL
22 Sep 2007, 11:04 AM
That I agree with, but most of the Zidane-bashers have taken it to a new level here.
As for who did he elevate? I cannot name one, mostly because he was usually surrounded by great players.
Moishe
22 Sep 2007, 12:53 PM
That I agree with, but most of the Zidane-bashers have taken it to a new level here.
As for who did he elevate? I cannot name one, mostly because he was usually surrounded by great players.
Their are some Zizou bashers that may be a bit on the overkill side but for me it's too hard to say Zidane is at another level from Riquelme when as you stated, he was usually around great players. Even as far back as Bordeaux he had a much better supporting cast than Roman had at Villarreal. Truth is Villarreal misses him as does BOCA to a lesser degree.
comme
22 Sep 2007, 01:53 PM
Even as far back as Bordeaux he had a much better supporting cast than Roman had at Villarreal.
This bit just isn't actually true.
Lizerazu, Witschge and Dugarry were good players, but that was it.
Riquelme had Senna, Forlan, Reina, Sorin, Jose Mari, Tacchinardi.
Volrath
22 Sep 2007, 02:22 PM
Debatable, the fact is Riquelme elevated Forlan as Villareal's most prolific scorer.
comme
22 Sep 2007, 03:14 PM
Debatable, the fact is Riquelme elevated Forlan as Villareal's most prolific scorer.
Did I argue otherwise?
Riquelme provided the chances and Forlan finished them off.
Riquelme clearly though had a better supporting cast to work with, which striker of that calibre did Zidane have?
Moishe
22 Sep 2007, 03:17 PM
This bit just isn't actually true.
Lizerazu, Witschge and Dugarry were good players, but that was it.
Riquelme had Senna, Forlan, Reina, Sorin, Jose Mari, Tacchinardi.
Bixente and Christoph were both superior players to any one of those named above minus maybe Tacchinardi. Reina I'm leaving out as he wasn't really a field player that could've benefitted from Riquelme. As pointed out, Riquelme made Forlan a Golden Boot winner along with Henry. Forlan:eek:
Moishe
22 Sep 2007, 03:20 PM
Did I argue otherwise?
Riquelme provided the chances and Forlan finished them off.
Riquelme clearly though had a better supporting cast to work with, which striker of that calibre did Zidane have?
Forlan? What caliber is he? Good at Independiente rubbish at ManU and what's he done since he left Villarreal or more so, what has he done without Riquelme? I've been asking all along, with Zidane's obvious greatness, he never ever took another player to another level. Great player with other great players (Bordeaux exception but still excellent side) but who individually benefitted from Zidanes service?
comme
22 Sep 2007, 04:19 PM
Forlan? What caliber is he? Good at Independiente rubbish at ManU and what's he done since he left Villarreal or more so, what has he done without Riquelme? I've been asking all along, with Zidane's obvious greatness, he never ever took another player to another level. Great player with other great players (Bordeaux exception but still excellent side) but who individually benefitted from Zidanes service?
I'm not going to start debating about a topic which I really don't care about either way.
However, if I was a playmaker and wanted two players of quality in the team they would be a midfield enforcer (Senna) to give me plenty of the ball, and a quick centre-forward (Forlan) to get in behind defences.
Villarreal were set up entirely for Riquelme and he took advantage of it.
junjunforever
22 Sep 2007, 06:59 PM
comparing zidane and riquelme is like comparing brazilian ronaldo and diego forlan.
there is no question zidane and ruud are better than the players compared against. Two have far more trophies, have far more experience, far longer success periods, and far more valued by the team.
But of course, haters will come along and say that trophies dont matter, experience dont matter, success doesnt matter, and the only reason they succeeded was because they played around good players.
Such stupidity. Had maradona been playing for barcelona today, these bashers would have said maradona isnt all that great because he is short and he just looks good because he plays with ronaldinho.
Surely, Zidane's goals in the champions league final, England in Euro 04, performances in 2000 and scoring winenrs in 1998 world cup is not comparable to "messi against Venezuela(?) or that free kick to heinze v mexico(?)".
Moishe
22 Sep 2007, 10:04 PM
comparing zidane and riquelme is like comparing brazilian ronaldo and diego forlan.
there is no question zidane and ruud are better than the players compared against. Two have far more trophies, have far more experience, far longer success periods, and far more valued by the team.
But of course, haters will come along and say that trophies dont matter, experience dont matter, success doesnt matter, and the only reason they succeeded was because they played around good players.
Such stupidity. Had maradona been playing for barcelona today, these bashers would have said maradona isnt all that great because he is short and he just looks good because he plays with ronaldinho.
Surely, Zidane's goals in the champions league final, England in Euro 04, performances in 2000 and scoring winenrs in 1998 world cup is not comparable to "messi against Venezuela(?) or that free kick to heinze v mexico(?)".
Somewhere between Ronaldo and Ruud you lost me. That said I'm not sure where Maradona came into the equation but truth is no one that has actually seen Diego play would realize that the guy was the man and if anything would've made Ronaldinho a better player or greater for that matter. But again I'm not sure about where and why on the Diego analogy.
Again no one disputes those goals you point out but your use of two assists from the Copa America as the sole basis of why Riquelme isn't as good is weak. You've just shown how little you know about futbol. Great post, thanks for the contribution.
Dr. Know
22 Sep 2007, 11:17 PM
"messi against Venezuela(?) or that free kick to heinze v mexico(?)".
So this is all you can come up with? This year's Copa America? This is probably all you have seen of Riquelme.
What a joke. I'm sure that most of the people bashing Riquelme in this thread have barely seen him play.