Chile U20's fight with police after game

[Ronaldo's Idol]

snip...Nevertheless, it wouldn't surprise me if the whole thing was just some small, preventable, incident that just escalated due to a serious lack of understanding. Particularly from the authorities, the supposedly real professionals in this YOUTH tournament.

Oh I agree...I think that the language barrier almost certainly was a primary factor. If a cop is shouting directions at you and you can't understand it, you have to attempt to react to their actions and they to yours, rather than speaking to each other. More often than not, that is going to lead to a physical confrontation, kids or not.

On top of that, I'm sure the Chile players were not in a good mood. There may have also been some excess machismo (even from the female cop) from the cops who can be all too ready to try to solve a problem with force rather than talking.

I really look forward to seeing what FIFA says about this and what the Toronto police say. I just find it hard to imagine that a fistfight with cops is going to be let go...that type of thing is likely to lead to criminal charges. Similarly, if you are a cop and you use excessive force on players from another country's national team, you should expect to be punished because your actions will cause unnecessary diplomatic strain between Canada and Chile.

A huge mess in the end.

[The Prophet]

how come during the conmebol eliminations in south american nothing like this happens were the cops beat the player from the visting country while trying to get into their bus.

[ONE]

nobody deserves a beating for trying to talk to their fans. The Police over reacted and everyone is to blame.

The entire world looks at this as an abuse by the cops its just the way it looks.

I have never heard of a soccer team leaving the stadium to take the bus back to the hotel getting beat and teaser because they want to talk to their fans.

when the truth comes out the only ones that will look bad are going to be canada and their cops.


i think its funny that youve decided to blame the police simply because you support Chile.

[donzerly]

No you idiot. I cited somebody else's comments regarding what happened at or near the bus as an example of what people like YOU are posting as fact. As for witnessing firsthand what happened on the field, I can honestly say that it is indeed FACT as I was there. That means I could physically see Chilean fans (not all mind you; just the minority) throwing objects onto the field; I could physically see the Chilean team running at the official. Do you see the pattern here? That's what's known as an eyewitness account. Are you going to continue to debate those points with me? Don't be stupid.

As for your comments regarding CSA intervention, who's your source? You see just because you say it's fact doesn't necessarily make it so. Rumours are very dangerous so tread carefully and please refrain from making blanket statements without having a "clue" as you so eloquently put it.Learn to read, moron.

Where did I say anything about what happened on the field of play? Or are you incapable of understanding that what happened at the team bus between the cops and the players was a totally different occurrence from what you "witnessed" on the field? Your eyewitness account proves exactly nothing about what happened later with the police.

I didn't make that up about the CSA intervention. A reporter from Radio Canada International was interviewed on CBC radio this morning. When he tried to take a cellphone picture of what was happening he was physically restrained by a CSA official who demanded to see his press credentials and told him that if he took a picture and didn't leave the area immediately he would have the reporter's credentials revoked and he wouldn't be allowed to cover the medal matches on Sunday.

Why is it that many people recognize that soccer referees make outrageous errors in judgment sometimes, but refuse to even consider the possibility that security guards and police officers can also do the same?

[donzerly]

Throwing Acid in his face? Is acid standard issue for Police in Toronto? I am thinking embellishment here personally...
Ever been pepper-sprayed in the face? You'd be excused for thinking it was acid.

[maestri09]

how come during the conmebol eliminations in south american nothing like this happens were the cops beat the player from the visting country while trying to get into their bus.

It's ridiculous. And the worst thing is (if it in fact is true) that the authorities ignored, and pushed down or whatever, an official of the Chilean delegation.

In all my time following soccer, I have never heard of the police ever beating any soccer player, or tasing them, after a match. Embarrasing to know something like this happened in Toronto.

[CHILENOdeCORAZON]

The POLICE are supposed to serve and protect .... they did NEITHER!!
Shame on police and so called security involved. If they had nothing to hide, they should have let the media tape and take pictures. They obviously had something to hide.
Nobody can explain why they would not allow it.

[FrenchCanucks]

Ever been pepper-sprayed in the face? You'd be excused for thinking it was acid.

Ever been acid-sprayed in the face? Probably not cause you'd be unable to read your sreen.

These chilian players are doing exactly wath they are doing in the field, acting to avoid diciplinary mesures.

By the way, can someone explain me why in hell would the policemans beat this chilian team for fun? We are probably one of the country with the smallest level of police brutality. They can't even defend themselves without facing a HUGE investigation in their all day lives.

[aerez]

how come during the conmebol eliminations in south american nothing like this happens were the cops beat the player from the visting country while trying to get into their bus.
They are too busy beating the fans. :D


I gave my opinion after the first article was posted. Now after more accounts and more live footage, press releases on television. The Toronto police maybe did flex their muscles a bit. Tear gas, beating an unconscious player after tazering.

Living in Toronto my whole life, I've seen my fair share of T.O police being total pricks. They over step there bounds many times, and as a neutral I'm glad that this happened to show their excessive nature.

Last year when we celebrated one of Argentina's wins, in a very small section on St. Clair, one police chief used pepper spray on an entire crowd. I was there minding my own business and could taste the stuff in my mouth. Just a few sprays and your eyes and throat swell up covering an entire area. Any normal observer can see there was no harm being done. Yet with Italian games, they let the party continue.

[maestri09]

Ever been acid-sprayed in the face? Probably not cause you'd be unable to read your sreen.

These chilian players are doing exactly wath they are doing in the field, acting to avoid diciplinary mesures.

By the way, can someone explain me why in hell would the policemans beat this chilian team for fun? We are probably one of the country with the smallest level of police brutality. They can't even defend themselves without facing a HUGE investigation in their all day lives.

it sounds very puzzling, yes, but I'm pretty sure if the actions against the police were serious enough (especially to tase someone and wreck a bus, among other things) the police would hardly hesitate to make arrests--especially if they felt the policeman's life was in danger.

People get arrested (even celebrities and athletes) for far sillier things...

[lerxst]

Learn to read, moron.

Where did I say anything about what happened on the field of play? Or are you incapable of understanding that what happened at the team bus between the cops and the players was a totally different occurrence from what you "witnessed" on the field? Your eyewitness account proves exactly nothing about what happened later with the police.

I didn't make that up about the CSA intervention. A reporter from Radio Canada International was interviewed on CBC radio this morning. When he tried to take a cellphone picture of what was happening he was physically restrained by a CSA official who demanded to see his press credentials and told him that if he took a picture and didn't leave the area immediately he would have the reporter's credentials revoked and he wouldn't be allowed to cover the medal matches on Sunday.

Why is it that many people recognize that soccer referees make outrageous errors in judgment sometimes, but refuse to even consider the possibility that security guards and police officers can also do the same?

Listen, my comments were designed to address several points including the lack of factual posting on here. That would include what happened both on and off the pitch regardless of the content of your posts. You need to read the posts from the beginning of this thread in order to understand. You came in here guns blazing with no basis in fact. What I saw on the pitch from both the Chilean players and fans lends itself not only to their state of mind but their overall behaviour under these circumstances which is to say, pretty ********ing out of control. If you can't acknowledge that fact then you're simply looking for any excuse to fry the police for your own personal reasons.

Why is that people automatically assume that whenever the police have to use physical force to contain a situation, it's deemed excessive or overly abusive? Perhaps you or anyone else on here could outline what is considered reasonable force. Is it just sitting back and letting them run wild or perhaps the use of harsh language (through an interpreter to be fair).

By the way I'm just learning to read right now. I'd say I'm a quick learner. :eek:

[Ohiginiano]

You guys are taking revenge because we beated you 3-0. Your police department in Edmonton are worse than the Nazis during the Holocaust.
In addition, your team was the worse team of the world cup, you did not score one goal. YOu have no passion for soccer, that's why mexico and usa are always on the top on the concacaf. Even worse, the central american and caribean teams, are better than your team. I hope you guys never host any world cup or any event like this
One last thing, next year CHile is going to host the U-20 Female world cup
I hope your national team qualifies, ( if you are able to make it, which I doubt it), as soon as your team arribes to Santiago, we will treat you the same way, or even worse so you guys can feel it.
Canadian COwards!

[The Prophet]

Just saw chilean tv the toronto cops are fixing to get sued big time!!!!!!!!! fifa just denounce the action of the cops!!!!!!!!

[lerxst]

You guys are taking revenge because we beated you 3-0. Your police department in Edmonton are worse than the Nazis during the Holocaust.
In addition, your team was the worse team of the world cup, you did not score one goal. YOu have no passion for soccer, that's why mexico and usa are always on the top on the concacaf. Even worse, the central american and caribean teams, are better than your team. I hope you guys never host any world cup or any event like this
One last thing, next year CHile is going to host the U-20 Female world cup
I hope your national team qualifies, ( if you are able to make it, which I doubt it), as soon as your team arribes to Santiago, we will treat you the same way, or even worse so you guys can feel it.
Canadian COwards!

Lol. Thank you for proving my point. Hostile bunch aren't we.

[divingisgay]

Just saw chilean tv the toronto cops are fixing to get sued big time!!!!!!!!! fifa just denounce the action of the cops!!!!!!!!
You seriously can't trust the Chilean media, lol pathetic...
Soccer is all what you really have for nationalism..so they will obviously have a big bias. You should really read International news media.

lol...

[The Prophet]

You seriously can't trust the Chilean media, lol pathetic...
Soccer is all what you really have for nationalism..so they will obviously have a big bias. You should really read International news media.

lol...


yea thats the reason the human right organization just got involved good luck toronto cops. They are saying the chief of police was not told about the gas bomb thrown in the bus or the teaser of the chilean players.

[rjmano]

this stuff rarely, if ever, happens in Canada. we're talking about the most civilised country in the history of humankind. seriously. if there is a problem it is definitely with the Chilean kids (certainly not men by any stretch of the imagination)

[robycapone]

wow thats a new one.... a gas bomb in the bus....interesting....

so exactly how many of you guys were actually there????

im guessing NONE!

[HeartandSoul]

You seriously can't trust the Chilean media, lol pathetic...
Soccer is all what you really have for nationalism..so they will obviously have a big bias. You should really read International news media.

lol...

Just like you can't trust the Canadian media;)

[divingisgay]

Duh,
Which is exactly why I said, look up International media.