Chile-Argentina U-20 Aftermath

[Fweebles]

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070719.wsptruckus19/GSStory/GlobeSportsSoccer/home

A member of the Chilean soccer delegation was subdued by taser during a scuffle with police and security guards that involved several Chilean players on Thursday night after the semifinal of the FIFA U-20 World Cup, according to witnesses.

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"All of a sudden we looked over and there was a big brawl that breaks out, between four or five people," Denette said. "Next thing you know, the bus just unloads and there's eight, 10 players come off the bus and there's just fists flying everywhere, between the cops, the security guards, a couple of ladies were involved that were security.

"It looked like a big dogfight. People throwing fists and cops with their billyclubs out and then all of a sudden it got out of control and a police officer grabbed his taser gun and tasered someone — I don't know if he was a player or if he was part of the team — as soon as that happened, it got even worse."

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Police eventually handcuffed several players, some of them bloodied and screaming, and escorted them back into the dressing room. Several hours after the game ended, Chilean players involved in the fracas were still at the stadium.

"The players are still in the dressing room and we don't know what's going to happen next," Colin Linford, president of the Canadian Soccer Association, told The Canadian Press.

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[soccernutter]

thread should be moved and is already being talked about in both FIFA and Chile forums

[Alberto]

This is total bullshit. Why aren't charges being filed? You get special dispensation as a soccer player? You create a scene, need to be tazered and handcuffed and no charges are filed? No one is arrested?

[MassachusettsRef]

This is total bullshit. Why aren't charges being filed? You get special dispensation as a soccer player? You create a scene, need to be tazered and handcuffed and no charges are filed? No one is arrested?I think things get really complicated at the diplomatic level when national teams are in foreign countries. Barring an alleged felony, I think most countries' governments are going to instruct local authorities to release a person in a situation like this.

The question now is, how does the third place playoff play out? In other words, I'm more interested in what FIFA is going to do (both with discipline and with the referee assignment) than what the Ontario or Toronto authorities did.

[Footballer]

I've been watching the clips on YouTube. I think the send-off near the touch on AR2's side is valid. I don't really know what the other send-off is far (dissent, 2nd caution?).

And I want to know why is that Chilean GK always running in the middle of the field to argue?

I also saw a clip of the referee crew trying to exit the field and hesitated because of the stuff raining on them.

My last question would be: "Would it have helped if the referee crew were comprised of Latin/Hispanic referees?"

[MassachusettsRef]

And I want to know why is that Chilean GK always running in the middle of the field to argue?He's the captain and, from what I've seen (the clip in Portugal game and the 2nd send off in this game), he's actually been helpful insofar as trying to control his team and keep them away from the referee. Honestly, he seems like a very solid leader and one of the more well behaved members on his team.

That being said, he did pick up a caution earlier in the match and though his attempts at leadership are admirable, judging by the events after the match, they're not too effective, so maybe I'm giving him too much credit.

[Fweebles]

I've been watching the clips on YouTube. I think the send-off near the touch on AR2's side is valid. I don't really know what the other send-off is far (dissent, 2nd caution?).

And I want to know why is that Chilean GK always running in the middle of the field to argue?

I also saw a clip of the referee crew trying to exit the field and hesitated because of the stuff raining on them.

My last question would be: "Would it have helped if the referee crew were comprised of Latin/Hispanic referees?"
I'm pretty sure the second red was a second caution for dissent. One Chilean player (I forget who) gets fouled, and Currimilla comes in, crowds the referee, and makes the good old "give em a card" gesture in his face (you can see right when it cuts from the far away shot into the close-up of the crowd around the ref).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aFRUMyuL53k

[jacoismyhero]

I'd say I'd appreciate the goalkeeper's help in a situation like this. The first red card's clip shows him shoving his own players away from the referee to try and get them to move on and stop arguing.

Maybe during the first red card clip (http://youtube.com/watch?v=33bwAZxWUZ8&mode=related&search=), there should be a booking for the Argentinian player for his scissor kick on the way down.

The second red card scenario is most definitely a second yellow for dissent.

[HeartandSoul]

I've been watching the clips on YouTube. I think the send-off near the touch on AR2's side is valid. I don't really know what the other send-off is far (dissent, 2nd caution?).

And I want to know why is that Chilean GK always running in the middle of the field to argue?

I also saw a clip of the referee crew trying to exit the field and hesitated because of the stuff raining on them.

My last question would be: "Would it have helped if the referee crew were comprised of Latin/Hispanic referees?"

Things like these baffle you? and you call yourself footballer.:rolleyes:

[grecod1]

2nd red was for the Chilean player pulling on the ref's arm to urge him to give the Argentine a card. Definite yellow if not red. Don't know about you but Stark showed quite a bit restraint in that swarmng.

[Alberto]

2nd red was for the Chilean player pulling on the ref's arm to urge him to give the Argentine a card. Definite yellow if not red. Don't know about you but Stark showed quite a bit restraint in that swarming.

It was a caution. The Chilean already had a caution from earlier in the game. Therefore, the referee first pulls the yellow card and follows immediately pulling the red card from his back pocket.

I think under the circumstances several other players could and should have been booked and one possibly sent off for touching/grabbing the referee.

[Tarheel Ref]

This is total bullshit. Why aren't charges being filed? You get special dispensation as a soccer player? You create a scene, need to be tazered and handcuffed and no charges are filed? No one is arrested?

I said the same thing on another thread...behavior which anywhere else would bring a felony assault charge is treated like it's no big deal. Maybe for some it isn't...which allows the situation to repeat itself.

[MassachusettsRef]

Pre-Final press conference from FIFA:

http://www.fifa.com/u20worldcup/news/newsid=556583.html#blatter+football+will+back

The most interesting item of note, I feel:

The Chilean government has filed a formal complaint to the government of Canada and we will see what happens from there.

[jacoismyhero]

Now, by no means am I of any bias due to race, nationality, color, or creed, but the Chilean government is really making themselves look bad here. Their players' behavior was disgraceful to the sport and to their country. Though they "don't support conduct like this in any way," their suit against the Canadian government certainly doesn't chastise it.

[Alberto]

Now, by no means am I of any bias due to race, nationality, color, or creed, but the Chilean government is really making themselves look bad here. Their players' behavior was disgraceful to the sport and to their country. Though they "don't support conduct like this in any way," their suit against the Canadian government certainly doesn't chastise it.


It's not a suit. It's a formal complaint to the Canadian government on the treatment of their team. Maybe if their players weren't so out of control the police would not have had to resort to the use of any necessary force to restore order. They are idiots of the highest order.

[jacoismyhero]

You're right... I meant "complaint" but in this day and age, I'm surprised it's not a suit yet.

I'm just going to take a guess that there aren't too many Canadian police departments that really have any Los Angeles-esque trends of police brutality.

[oldmanreferee]

interesting stuff. I heard the announcer say that the referee even though he is German, His mother is from Argentina. Wonder if anyone will try and run with that.

[refontherun]

interesting stuff. I heard the announcer say that the referee even though he is German, His mother is from Argentina. Wonder if anyone will try and run with that.

It may be true, but you have to wonder how the announcers got that kind of information. It's not like the guy's running for office or something!

[oldmanreferee]

It may be true, but you have to wonder how the announcers got that kind of information. It's not like the guy's running for office or something!

true but you know how teams will try and use anything to say they were cheated