NT No Passion, No Heart!!!

[DiVo0oNeH]

Lots of ppl complain about the talent and the players that get called up, some actually complain about the style and way we play! but look at it from a close angle and ull find there is something else beyond just that! its Playing with passion and heart!

Im sick of making excuses for the players that get selected and look at the mirror and tell myself oh yeah they're pretty good or they'll be fine playing for my NT an NT that ppl like Maradona, Passarela, Kempes and Valdano all put one hell of a sweat in their careers to make this NT a world classic!!!!

now what we see is a bunch of idiots making it look like its even worse than Columbia's NT!!!

here is the truth the national team does not need an over rated generation that did absolutely nothing for it and didnt even fight for the jersey they had on! ppl say every time we make it to the final we go to sleep! we sink! thats not because of any coach! and not because of any strategy! Brazil have been playing with one of the worst coaches i have seen! Carlos Alberto, and now Dunga!!! instead of Tevez, messi focusing on the matches they are going to play they pretty much focus on oh Kaka, Donho apoligized we as Argentines dont do that! oh yeah? u dont but u do perform for West Ham better than ur own country!

im not gonna bash these players but the truth has to be said! they play with no heart! no passion for the jersey that they have on! guys like Riquelme has no heart when hes playing the game or doesnt show it! Cambiasso? Veron who went to Japan and thought it was some kind of vacation while the rest of the team were scared of being eliminated?

these players need to play football for Argentina not because they enjoy it! or they like it! but because they want to! and they fight for it! every time we play brazil and i just saw that on Sunday how Elano was playing pretty determined! wanted it all! when they play us its like they're going to war! when we play them or any other team its like were just here to play!

thats the ********ing difference! now im sick of these players frustrating my ass because they cant keep up with the pure high level footballers! hell i rather have a guy like Killy than having any of the jackoffs we had on Sunday! at elast when hes out there hes fighting!!! guys like Zidane refuse to be an underdog even in the last wc! guys like canavaro put on that blue jersey and represent it the way its suppose to! Baggio told the media that he would clean the team's shoes just to be on the NT again and put his NT where it belongs!

but guys like riquelme? he retires for a whole yr then comes back to play whenever he wants to? and yet he gets a spot over guys like Sosa? D`alessandro? the guy didnt even play the friendlies! the coach shouldnt even accept him back on the team! this is not Korea! this is Argentina we produce players like milk in farms!

and its not just about Riquelme! Zanetti? he knows hes 33! he knows he wont be near WC 2010! why is he there? if he wants to help Argentina he should give his spot for someone new and allow that new to get experience! instead of coming back and playing that shows how selfish these guys are! its not about Argentina its about them! and they surely do show it in big games! not to mention Veron? hes been talking about making a come back and why he should be on the NT and so far hes been the worst player on that NT the whole tournament! hes inexistant!

hell we all luv to play for the NT wether we have the talent or not! who ever gets a call wont reject it even if it was me! but knowing what means to put on the jersey is really different than putting on a jersey!!!!

u want passion? Maxi Rod? thats passion! he cries when he scores for Argentina! Maxi Moralez! u can see it on his face when hes playing for Argentina and Aguero! now thats passion thats wanting to play! not wanting to dribble or try to be fancy! once Maradona said being Fancy is using ur brains not ur skills! and thats something a lot of players havent learned yet!

why is Brazil better? do they have the talent that we have? my ass? Juan is crap! Alex is ok! but when they play for Brazil! they're heart and soul playing for Brazil! and i wish from now on players who sweat it out the on pitch are the guys who get called up! and u can see the determination in Pato's face on the pitch specially when he says that if Basile needed him for 2010 he'll be there :> woow he loves his nation he doesnt think of himself at alllllll :>

Its simply time for a change! Zabaleta deserves to be on the NT cause he will run till his heart is ripped out! anf fight for every position! Mascherano and also Gago! Gago? yeah Gago the guys that made a 5 french midfield look like a 2 french midfield incase u forgot :> one more guy id like to point out and every time i see him play he gives it all! or at least most of the times and thats Saviola!

Attitude is what makes teams and just like Cantona said play from ur heart or the get the ******** off the pitch!

[elbp]

I hate to quote myself but I'm too lazy to write an essay on the matter :)

I couldn't care less about this bunch of overpaid, passionless and waffly players. As an argentine, I truly hope we don't win the Cup since all journalists and football tards will be gloating and overhyping the win as we always do only for later to savour a complete and utter failure when we face European teams. As I said I don't care in the least. The only reason I could possibly turn on the TV is to watch TEVEZ. But apparently, he doesn't belong in Basile (ancient and dated) books.

Aguante Belgrano, vamos a volver y lo voy a seguir diciendo: Tristelme anda a jugar a Groenlandia pinguino amargo. Not only that, he also proved he is a piece of shit by the way he handled his comeback. Selfish and heartless scumbag. The problem is that we buy everything that the sports media say.

This bunch of players could take a few lessons from the basket or even tennis players on how to uphold the honour of playing for your country.

[aerez]

No doubt you have an excellent point about Passion. When you look at the overall package, you wonder where some of the passion was. Was it bottled up?

The thing is now we are criticizing the team because they lose the entire thing. We criticize Riquelme after coming back and playing his best football in a long time, we critique Zanetti while he was one of the best player in the entire Copa America. Zanetti worked his heart out, giving his all. These aren't the players you should be looking at, because they showed passion, hard work.

The question should have been raised on the right players who should have been brought in at the start.

Perhaps it's time to try a non-Argentinian Coach, because if our leadership give the AFA NT team rights to a bunch of foreign loungers, maybe our leadership is what is wrong with us.

We need to go foward with what we have best, start fresh and improve on what we extremely lack on. If the lessers nations such as the Asian Nations and African nations can bring in a different perspective, foreign influence on a team, maybe that's what we need.

I think Basiles is a good tactical coach, but personally I don't think he has what it takes to go all the way on the large scale.

determination in Pato's face on the pitch specially when he says that if Basile needed him for 2010 he'll be there :> woow he loves his nation he doesnt think of himself at alllllll :>
If he loved his nation, he would get the ******** out and let the future take over.
He's a stubborn pathetic, insecure ass and he sucks. I'm tired of him.

[rios]

pato has gotten cleansheets out of almost half of his games in spain this past year, given he probably had been in better condition at the beginning of the season than towards the end, he still won the zamora trophy.

[TKORL]

Ahh...and lest we forget, this was the Brazil B team. They didn't even need to bring out their big guns to beat us. The little guns did the trick. Again.

[DiVo0oNeH]

Ahh...and lest we forget, this was the Brazil B team. They didn't even need to bring out their big guns to beat us. The little guns did the trick. Again.


We wish it was just beat us! it was hammering us! 3-0 in a freaking final! seriously im sick of this generation man! and all of those players! Ayala someone already mentioned his screw ups! Millito? i never felt good about since last summer! Zanetti? too old! Cambiasso the guy played for madrid and they wanted to get rid of him by any chance they had! they didnt even care about the price they just threw him out! Veron? yeah he loves Argentina after throwing a fight with Sorin in the CL making Argentines look like crap world wide! Riquelme? yeah i remember him not working out for Barcelona! then being loaned to Villareal! not to mention failed to take the pressure like a mans and retired from the NT! men who represent their countires take pressure and continue fighting!

Moralez? yeah everytime he gets hit he gets up and plays like a ********ing man! not complain about every single foul! thats what i wanna see representing my country! not some over paid jackoffs!

[bsas]

We wish it was just beat us! it was hammering us! 3-0 in a freaking final! seriously im sick of this generation man! and all of those players! Ayala someone already mentioned his screw ups! Millito? i never felt good about since last summer! Zanetti? too old! Cambiasso the guy played for madrid and they wanted to get rid of him by any chance they had! they didnt even care about the price they just threw him out! Veron? yeah he loves Argentina after throwing a fight with Sorin in the CL making Argentines look like crap world wide! Riquelme? yeah i remember him not working out for Barcelona! then being loaned to Villareal! not to mention failed to take the pressure like a mans and retired from the NT! men who represent their countires take pressure and continue fighting!

Moralez? yeah everytime he gets hit he gets up and plays like a ********ing man! not complain about every single foul! thats what i wanna see representing my country! not some over paid jackoffs!

Divooneh, how old are you? Before the final you were boasting like we had the best team/players of all time, and now you say they are all rubbish. Grow up, man...

[hoss23]

Divooneh, how old are you? Before the final you were boasting like we had the best team/players of all time, and now you say they are all rubbish. Grow up, man...

Yes, and if Argentina was the same as Columbia then I doubt they would beat the tar out of them so often.

[hoss23]

A lack of passion is not the problem. Guys like Messi, Tevez, Mascherano...who plays with more passion anywhere in the world? Crespo and Zanetti as well, but I know their days with the NT are numbered.

A lack of size and physical presence is the problem, and perhaps the pace of Roman at times (i.e. the important games). And, as has been said often, the defence basically needs a complete overhaul.

[DiVo0oNeH]

Divooneh, how old are you? Before the final you were boasting like we had the best team/players of all time, and now you say they are all rubbish. Grow up, man...


?? i was showing some spirit! and read my posts i was the only one dissapointed with our performances and quoted that if we play Brazil they would hammer us! read my posts bro i was only showing some spirit to have fun and maybe things go our way but when it came on betting i won 20 dollars from my cousin cause i thought we would lose the final :>

[Moishe]

Zanetti? he knows hes 33! he knows he wont be near WC 2010! why is he there? if he wants to help Argentina he should give his spot for someone new and allow that new to get experience!

Why wouldn't Zanetti have a chance at making 2010? Sure he'll be 37/38 years of age and yes it would be nice to get Zabaleta some experience but really dude. You ever hear of a guy named Paolo Maldini? He's almost 40 and is still one of the best defenders in the world. If Zanetti is playing at 38 the way he is playing now, he'll be welcome on my national team anytime. You question heart and passion and then you throw Zanetti in there? I'd say he was the picture perfect definition of both those qualities. Some qualities you'll never earn just through getting some game time experience.

[DiVo0oNeH]

Why wouldn't Zanetti have a chance at making 2010? Sure he'll be 37/38 years of age and yes it would be nice to get Zabaleta some experience but really dude. You ever hear of a guy named Paolo Maldini? He's almost 40 and is still one of the best defenders in the world. If Zanetti is playing at 38 the way he is playing now, he'll be welcome on my national team anytime. You question heart and passion and then you throw Zanetti in there? I'd say he was the picture perfect definition of both those qualities. Some qualities you'll never earn just through getting some game time experience.


Maldini stopped playing for his NT when he turned 32 or 33! he plays for his club and sometimes not even a starter! there is a big difference between club level and NT!! by the way with all due respect to pupi but Maldini is probably the best defender in the past decade!

[Moishe]

Ahh...and lest we forget, this was the Brazil B team. They didn't even need to bring out their big guns to beat us. The little guns did the trick. Again.

You should read some of the posts by Brazilians on BS as well as some of the other knowledgable futbol people and they will dispell this whole B team thing. Aside from Dinho and Kaka', what other lock into their positions A teamers were they missing? You can probably spout off a few names but Brazukas will clearly tell you most of those guys are not A teamers anymore. Kinda like ours.

[TKORL]

You should read some of the posts by Brazilians on BS as well as some of the other knowledgable futbol people and they will dispell this whole B team thing. Aside from Dinho and Kaka', what other lock into their positions A teamers were they missing? You can probably spout off a few names but Brazukas will clearly tell you most of those guys are not A teamers anymore. Kinda like ours.
I'm aware, I follow Brazilian football regularly as well. I agree it's not a B team when compared to the national teams of most other countries and the younger players in the squad do have the chance of being first choice for Brazil, and in that sense, they're not B players.

However, they were missing their three most influential attacking players, and in that sense, they are not a first choice team, and that's the point, that Brazil didn't need the big guns.

[Moishe]

Maldini stopped playing for his NT when he turned 32 or 33! he plays for his club and sometimes not even a starter! there is a big difference between club level and NT!! by the way with all due respect to pupi but Maldini is probably the best defender in the past decade!

And he still one of the best defenders in the world. Had he not chosen to retire from their NT, he likely at his ripe old age would still make the selection. Age is overrated. Do you remember Roger Milla? 38 years old when he made his debut in the WC by scoring four goals. Your reasons for discounting Zanetti are weak. They'd likely be acceptable for a lot of this current squad but not for Zanetti. If he's still able to bring it then by all means let him bring it. The future is important and I clearly said that Zabaletta should be more in the mix but Zanetti I feel still has a role with this NT. With Ayala hanging it up what better example of proffesionalism can you come up with from our player pool besides Mascherano?

[Moishe]

I'm aware, I follow Brazilian football regularly as well. I agree it's not a B team when compared to the national teams of most other countries and the younger players in the squad do have the chance of being first choice for Brazil, and in that sense, they're not B players.

However, they were missing their three most influential attacking players, and in that sense, they are not a first choice team, and that's the point, that Brazil didn't need the big guns.

The third being Ronaldo? Has he been capped since the World Cup?

[TKORL]

And he still one of the best defenders in the world. Had he not chosen to retire from their NT, he likely at his ripe old age would still make the selection. Age is overrated. Do you remember Roger Milla? 38 years old when he made his debut in the WC by scoring four goals. Your reasons for discounting Zanetti are weak. They'd likely be acceptable for a lot of this current squad but not for Zanetti. If he's still able to bring it then by all means let him bring it. The future is important and I clearly said that Zabaletta should be more in the mix but Zanetti I feel still has a role with this NT. With Ayala hanging it up what better example of proffesionalism can you come up with from our player pool besides Mascherano?
Cannavaro and Nesta are better at CB (Maldini's not even a real CB man), left back is out of the question, Maldini would likely not have been first choice.


Not to mention, if maldini had scored an own goal, Italians would be screaming at the coach for playing a 39 yr old.

[Moishe]

Cannavaro and Nesta are better at CB (Maldini's not even a real CB man), left back is out of the question, Maldini would likely not have been first choice.


Not to mention, if maldini had scored an own goal, Italians would be screaming at the coach for playing a 39 yr old.

I didn't say he'd be first teamer but he'd get a call-up no doubt because he can play two positions and regardless of age still one of the best defenders in the world. Granted he lacks the pace to play LB but in a pinch he'd be a nice option off the bench. Also at this point in Maldinis career it is just fine to call him a centre back being that it's pretty much all he really plays these days.

[Moishe]

Not to mention, if maldini had scored an own goal, Italians would be screaming at the coach for playing a 39 yr old.


That applies to any player and coach in the world. Of course Maldini never did score that elusive own goal that would get him crucified nor has anything about Zanetti's play indicated that this could likely happen.

[TKORL]

Lol true

EDIT: although Ahn Hwan Jung did beat him to that header in 2002.