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DiVo0oNeH
17 Jul 2007, 04:40 PM
Im gonna discuss the major issue here!! now i remember when Bielsa started to succed he used a 3-3-2-2 strategy that almost hammered everyone! then in the qualifiers Pekerman actually used that same strategy against Brazil and we defeated them 3-1 i even remember the defense shutting down Dinho, Robinho, Kaka, and Adriano!!! now why does this strategy works? ill explain


--------------Pato

Coloccini------Ayala------Heinze

Lucho-------Mascherano-----Sorin

-----------------------Killy
-----------Riquelme

-----Saviola-----------Crespo

let me explain what this strategy brings? defensively its exactly what fits Argentina! offensively u have to counter attack most of the time! but the good thing about it is that its solid for a team like Argentina why? because u can play both tempos either the Riquelme tempo! or a fast tempo why?

Pekerman had Killy! which is more like a side winger than a secondary playmaker u could easily have someone like Di Maria, Moralez, Aimar playing that position so ur plays can run through either Roman or whoever is playing near him!

now this doesnt really have to be played with these type of players! for an example Sorin was pretty poor defensively and didnt do much offensively so he can be replaced with someone like Maxi Rod! Lucho's spot can be given to Gago, or Ferrari! now the good part of it is that Sorin gets to play as a LWB Lucho gets to play as a RM and when Lucho is defending hes not closing the sides unless someone attacks from the sides other than that hes helping Masche close down the midfield!!!

Roberto Carlos was shut down! Dinho, Kaka were shut down from the middle! and Robinho was shut down from Killy and Sorin!!!

this is how it could look for the future!

-----------------Carrizo
Burdisso-----------Garay---------Heinze/Millito

Ferrari/Gago------Mascherano-----Maxi/Insua/Clemente

------------------------------Messi/Aimar/Moralez/Di Maria (can also play on the right instead of left depending on who's playing behind him)

----------------Riquelme/Sosa

--------Saviola/Lavezzi
------------------------------Higuain/Pavone!

Teso Dos Bichos
17 Jul 2007, 07:38 PM
Where is Tevez?

TKORL
17 Jul 2007, 11:27 PM
Hmm...I think the key here will be Gago. Why? Well, Argentina's strength has been in recent years producing a lot of quick little guys w/ ball skills and creativity. As a result, we have to build the team that will play to those strengths, so a 5 man midfield may ensure a passing game while also increasing both horizontal and vertical mobility of the ball. Gago's role will be to quickly move the ball from defense to attack, acting as the primary linking piece.


The other advantage is that you have creativity coming from all directions.

However, the prerequisite is that we have 3 top-notch defenders.

DiVo0oNeH
17 Jul 2007, 11:54 PM
Hmm...I think the key here will be Gago. Why? Well, Argentina's strength has been in recent years producing a lot of quick little guys w/ ball skills and creativity. As a result, we have to build the team that will play to those strengths, so a 5 man midfield may ensure a passing game while also increasing both horizontal and vertical mobility of the ball. Gago's role will be to quickly move the ball from defense to attack, acting as the primary linking piece.


The other advantage is that you have creativity coming from all directions.

However, the prerequisite is that we have 3 top-notch defenders.


we won the 86 world cup with 3 defenders!! this strategy was created by Argentina i read all about it 9 teams after Argentina went to use this same strategy and all 9 won tournaments! can u believe that? see it really depends on who ur 3 defenders are? say on the right and left sides u need good tacklers! and a little quick ones as well guys like Palleta can fit! Heinze could fit but is not the best choice probably Millito is the best choice on the left! as for the center someone like Ayala, Garay can play that role a tackler and a good coverer!

now what this does is if ur playing Gago instead of Ferrari on the right than Messi needs to play on top of Gago! and Maxi Rod needs to play on the left therefore u need to move Saviola to the left so it creates more passing lanes for the players and makes it easier for the midfield!

and u know what pisses me off even more? is that Dunga used a whole year to build a team for the future while Basile wasted a whole yr!

rios
18 Jul 2007, 06:48 AM
a.you basically drew some variations of 5-3-2
therefore your choice of gago at that position isn't the best selection.
that person needs to drop back into D-line as well as provide width for the midfield.

b.coloccini sucks.

c.5-3-2 (3-5-2) has all kinds of midfield arrangements. that's why it's one of the most adaptable strategies and is popular today.
however, the choices of midfield you made were all single playmaker setups. the real advantage of the flexibility of 5-3-2 used as an offensive setup is that there could be more than one playmaker...

TKORL
18 Jul 2007, 01:28 PM
My idea with a 3 man backline...

----------Milito/Higuain----------
---Saviola/Tevez--------Messi-------
---------------Aimar-------------
-------Lucho----------Gago------
--------------Masch---------------
-----LB-------Garay--------Burdisso--

OK this is actually a 3-3-3-1, rather than playing a 3-5-2, in order to create two diamonds, which allows a number of triangular passing options by letting offensive players switch position at will. Basically Aimar is stationed in the middle of the two diamonds in the formation, but he's really not the enganche. The idea is that we have three quick guys in Aimar, Messi, and Tevez who have a free role in attack form a triangle, thus playing three creatives. We cannot play Riquelme in the middle of the diamond because for all of his on-ball ability, he's not nearly as good off the ball, which is partly why he looks slower than he is. Messi is most effective from the right, cutting into the middle, which will alow him to switch spaces with Aimar, who can also rotate with Tevez. The attack created should be narrow because well, none of the players are that great at crossing, and we don't really have a brilliant finisher to cross to. However, lack of width also exposes the flanks to counterattack, which is made worse because of a 3-man backline. That's why Gago and Lucho are on the outside, to cover the flanks for counterattacks and distribute the ball as connecting pieces. Masch and the 3-man backline are self-explanatory.


Why Lucho? Well, while he has not performed as well for the NT, he does bring some things that we need, height, physicality, and leadership. I think he's the only player on here who captains at club level (besides Zanetti, but I'd prefer an organizer in midfield). I think he should be given an extended run in the side. After all, we hav to build our team around the talent we have, not stick it in a preconcieved formation.

el payasо
23 Jul 2007, 05:08 AM
................... ..Carrizo/Ustari......................
Burdisso/Gonzalo---Garaya/Milito---Heinze/Bottinelli
Zaba/Lucho-------------Masche----------Gago
---------Sosa---------------------Messi----------
---------------Tevez/Saviola---Milito/Higuain------

BigSoccer Bot
01 Aug 2007, 12:20 AM
Planta polémica: el especialista tiene que jugar distinto a lo que se ve. Da su versión de la derrota de la Selección ante Brasil. Y cuenta que lee libros sobre liderazgo.

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