US Soccer decides to go and F things up

[HalaMadrid]

http://www.ussoccer.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=38160&itype=113&iCategoryID=0


I'm sorry...you don't get your protest in in time, your bad. And Even USSF ruled they didn't attempt to decieve, so what's the problem here?

Now, New Hampshire is the one who gets screwed, because almost no matter what, they have to play 2 damn games to advance in the Open Cup. And they didn't do anything!

[monster]

Originally posted by HalaMadrid
http://www.ussoccer.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=38160&itype=113&iCategoryID=0


I'm sorry...you don't get your protest in in time, your bad. And Even USSF ruled they didn't attempt to decieve, so what's the problem here?

Now, New Hampshire is the one who gets screwed, because almost no matter what, they have to play 2 damn games to advance in the Open Cup. And they didn't do anything!

Unreal, but they should have a shorter time limit for protests to avoid this kind of stupid decision.

[packman5]

Originally posted by HalaMadrid
http://www.ussoccer.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=38160&itype=113&iCategoryID=0


I'm sorry...you don't get your protest in in time, your bad. And Even USSF ruled they didn't attempt to decieve, so what's the problem here?

Now, New Hampshire is the one who gets screwed, because almost no matter what, they have to play 2 damn games to advance in the Open Cup. And they didn't do anything! quite the contrary! it seems like a reasonable, although not altogether fair, decision on the part of a governing body. nobody is disputing the fact that an ineligible player played in the game. what's u.s. soccer supposed to do? ignore it? say, "we know you didnt' intend to deceive". come on... while that might satisfy the shortsighted concerns of some, it would surely set a terrible precedent and greatly reduce u.s. soccer's credibility as a governing authority.

that being said, it does appear new hampshire is being unfairly victimized by this. perhaps a better solution would have been to simply delay the round 2 game until the real winner of round one had been fairly determined. in any event, though, you simply can't turn a blind eye to a team fielding an ineligible player. even at the youth level, that is unacceptable and ignorance of the rules or inattention to detail is no excuse. you know it, i know it...and i'd be willing to bet the player and the team mangement knew it as well!

[HalaMadrid]

Chesapeake had adequate, lengthy enough time to get a protest in.

they didn't.

Them's the rules. Sucks if you get screwed, but that's how it is. The rules are what should have guided the decision. They didn't.

This is just a massive cluster..... right here. Taking what should have been a simple solution (Sorry, Chesapeake, your protest did not make it in time, see you next year) and turning it into an unwieldy mess.

The kicker is the guy who was ineligible, is NOW eligible! He'll be playing tonight! So what is the problem?

[ThreeApples]

I guess the only bright side for New Hampshire is they could lose tonight and still get another chance.

Still, this is incredibly stupid. In the past the USSF has kicked teams out that used ineligible players. Didn't that happen to Mexico SC last year? There were two reasonable options here:

1) Give Chesapeake a forfeit win due to Bridgeport using an ineligible player.
2) Let the result stand due to the delay in the protest.

[Jose L. Couso]

Amateur

[Sandon Mibut]

Who was in charge of the committe that made this decision, King Solomon?

[Michael K.]

Shenanigans in the Park City? Appalling!

Love always,

Joe Ganim
Cell Block D
Somers

[cleazer]

what a joke!

If you're going to have a replay between Bridegeport and Chesapeake, that's fine. But why should New Hampshire be forced to play them both? If I were in charge of New Hampshire, I would file a protest or simply withdraw from the tournament.

[chn71]

Seems as if the USSF is taking a chapter out of the USL's book, How To Make Simple Competitions More Complicated.

Makes me wonder, has any other country had a team play a first round cup match AFTER their second round match?

A more detailed report on the protest:
http://www.cadragons.com/news/0623protest.htm

[Beau Dure]

Yeesh -- this is going to throw our Open Cup page for a twist. I'll have to write a novel just to explain it all.

As far as the fairness of the whole mess goes, here's the key question: When did they realize it was Darin Lewis?

[ol'schoolballer]

There are two important points to consider:

1. Bridgeport did not turn in their roster until 5 days AFTER the match which is when Chesapeake and USL discovered Darin Lewis was ineligible

2. There was no match commissioner at the game to verify the eligibility of the players on the US SOCCER eligible player roster. On that roster, Lewis was listed as Lewis Daria.

Whether or not the player in question could have been identified as Darin Lewis is not the point. Without being able to verify the roster, it would make it impossible to determine if Bridgeport PROPERLY registered their players. Let just say the evidence was 'misplaced' until the verdict was rendered. In Chesapeake's case, there was another mechanism that was used when the appeal period already lapsed.

New Hampshire could have been far more damaged if the game on the 25th would have to been postponed. Plus they get another gate. Like it or not, financial considerations have to be made as well. The US Soccer decision was fair and amicable to all the parties involved.

[chn71]

Well, considering Bridgeport lost 3-0 to New Hampshire tonight, I have to figure they'll just forfiet the replay with Chesapeake, since it will do them no good if they do win.

[Beez]

The replay will not be necessary. By virtue of their loss, the Italians are eliminated from the tournament.

Phantoms host Chesapeake on July 10, with the winner to face Rochester six days later.

The Phantoms' assistant GM mentioned that the club had no interest in canceling the home date on such short notice, and they did draw an estimated 700 fans to Singer Park -- a nice crowd on a warm summer night. The home team won, Ebbie Kodiat scored a gorgeous free-kick goal, people got free Sprite when they exited. All in all, it was good that the match was played.

The downside is that the Phantoms, assuming they beat Chesapeake, will play on July 5, 8, 10, 12 and 16. Good luck, lads.

[GIO17]

If Darin Lewis is ruled ineligible by the committee then they should have suspended the 2nd round match between Bridgeport & New Hampshire.

Then disqualify Bridgeport and reschedule the 2nd Round match for July 10th to allow the Chesapeake Dragons to participate.

That would have worked for me because this is rediculous that the Phantoms have to basically fight for that spot twice. The Phantoms obviously are not going to protest because it's going to be played at home since they defeated the Bridgeport Italians. Still I think it's unfair that the Phantoms who aren't involved with these shinanigans should be penalized.

[VioletCrown]

Originally posted by HalaMadrid
http://www.ussoccer.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=38160&itype=113&iCategoryID=0


I'm sorry...you don't get your protest in in time, your bad. And Even USSF ruled they didn't attempt to decieve, so what's the problem here?

Now, New Hampshire is the one who gets screwed, because almost no matter what, they have to play 2 damn games to advance in the Open Cup. And they didn't do anything!

An explanation of the decision from this article (http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20030626/SP_004.htm) on the Phantom's win:

Bridgeport had beaten the Chesapeake Dragons in the first round, but Chesapeake filed a protest because Bridgeport used an ineligible player in that match. U.S. Soccer upheld the protest on Monday, and ordered the first-round match to be replayed on July 2.

However, the Phantoms didn't want to give up last night's home date on such short notice, so U.S. Soccer struck a deal. If the Phantoms won last night, they would play Chesapeake for the right to play Rochester.

[HalaMadrid]

Originally posted by VioletCrown
An explanation of the decision from this article (http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20030626/SP_004.htm) on the Phantom's win: I understand what the situation is. I'm probably more familiar with it than 90% of you. I Understand New Hampshire could not cancel on short notice, and it would be a 'financial burden' for them to have to reschedule and play later.

The bare facts are, Chesapeake did not get a protest into USSF in time, so they filed a complaint., for which USSF shouldn't have rendered a decision affecting the competition directly.

Whatever is being said here, Bridgeport's roster was available the night of the match, because USSF had it (they have to for the game to even be played), and NH management though they were not willing to reschedule is very pissed about having to play 2 matches to advance. Them's the facts.

I have no vested interest in this matter...it's just bull. The complaint should have been noted, maybe suspend Lewis from the tournament, and the Phantoms should be in the third round now as opposed to having to play a second match.

It was a stupid self-contradictory decision by the USSF and the Open Cup committee. That's all.

[packman5]

Originally posted by HalaMadrid
I understand what the situation is. I'm probably more familiar with it than 90% of you. I Understand New Hampshire could not cancel on short notice, and it would be a 'financial burden' for them to have to reschedule and play later.

The bare facts are, Chesapeake did not get a protest into USSF in time, so they filed a complaint., for which USSF shouldn't have rendered a decision affecting the competition directly.

Whatever is being said here, Bridgeport's roster was available the night of the match, because USSF had it (they have to for the game to even be played), and NH management though they were not willing to reschedule is very pissed about having to play 2 matches to advance. Them's the facts.

I have no vested interest in this matter...it's just bull. The complaint should have been noted, maybe suspend Lewis from the tournament, and the Phantoms should be in the third round now as opposed to having to play a second match.

It was a stupid self-contradictory decision by the USSF and the Open Cup committee. That's all. what a blessing it must be to see "them facts" with such clarity!

[Beau Dure]

Originally posted by HalaMadrid
The bare facts are, Chesapeake did not get a protest into USSF in time, so they filed a complaint., for which USSF shouldn't have rendered a decision affecting the competition directly.

Where'd you hear that? It's safe to say I've heard otherwise.

[HalaMadrid]

Originally posted by Beau Dure
Where'd you hear that? It's safe to say I've heard otherwise. From someone who should know.

You can PM me if you want any more information about it.