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indestructible
10 Jul 2007, 07:40 PM
Jeremy Toulalan??
There are rumours that Napoli is being linked with him. I was wondering what kind of a player he is.
Thank you in advance
Gotham PSG
10 Jul 2007, 09:03 PM
Napoli?
I can't believe Toulalan would even think of leaving Lyon to play in Seria B
SportBoy333
10 Jul 2007, 10:29 PM
The Italian media always has riduculous transfer rumors. Remember Franck Ribery to Fiorentina ?
Inara
10 Jul 2007, 10:42 PM
Toulalan is a DM at Lyon. He's been very impressive since he moved from Nantes, doing a pretty good job replacing Mahamadou Diarra and keeping out Alou from the starting lineup. He's also become a regular on the France NT.
He still has a lot to learn, but he's been one of the bright spots of Lyon's campaign this year.
I can't believe that Toulalan would leave Lyon right now. In fact, he's one of the few players that comes closest to being nontransferable (but not quite, of course). He was a Houllier favorite, is a Domenech favorite, and will probably be a Perrin favorite too. No way he'd jeopardize all that to move to Napoli.
indestructible
10 Jul 2007, 11:42 PM
Napoli is back in Serie A this year and are looking to strengthen their squad. They have money to invest, and his name came out of nowhere so i thought it could be a possibility. You guys talk as if him going to italy is impossible. If he is a DM then he could benefit greatly. Nontransferable? They said the same about Maradona
Allez Lyonnais
10 Jul 2007, 11:52 PM
Napoli is back in Serie A this year and are looking to strengthen their squad. They have money to invest, and his name came out of nowhere so i thought it could be a possibility. You guys talk as if him going to italy is impossible. If he is a DM then he could benefit greatly. Nontransferable? They said the same about Maradona
Toulalan has only been at Lyon for a season, so it is very unlikely if not impossible. And leaving Lyon for Napoli isn't exactly a step-up move.
Inara
10 Jul 2007, 11:59 PM
He's not untransferable, but close enough to it. For the right price, I'm sure Aulas would sell him, but given the fact that he's a future France NT star, Lyon will ask for at least 11 million euros. Napoli can find similar options for less.
The thing is, now that Alou Diarra is leaving, and with Fabio Santos not good enough, Toulalan is Lyon's main DM. The club isn't planning to buy another one soon. Also, Toulalan hasn't made any noises about leaving.
He will eventually move on of course, but to a club bigger than Lyon. No offense, but why would Toulalan leave the French champions, a club where he's the starter and where he plays in the CL, for a recently promoted club that can only offer being in Serie A as an advantage? And while Italy's taxes are better, they aren't any richer than Lyon and can't offer a far superior contract.
That being said, you never know about these things, and we don't know what's going on in Toulalan's mind at the moment. Maybe he is looking for a move, though it would be very very sad for us.
SportBoy333
11 Jul 2007, 12:18 AM
They have money to invest, and his name came out of nowhere
If it came out of nowhere it probably wasnt a reputable source.
Inara
11 Jul 2007, 12:32 AM
Here's the original link (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tuttomercatoweb.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Dread%26id%3D66862&langpair=it%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools). I don't know how reputable the source is.
Well, if anything, I'm surprised that it's taken this long for Toulalan to be linked with a move away. He's like the only OL player who hasn't been in the transfer rumors (along with Joan Hartock and Loic Remy :rolleyes: ).
But it doesn't change the fact that he has three years left on his contract.
SportBoy333
11 Jul 2007, 12:37 AM
Napoli is the Italian version of St. Etienne. A once big European club who's spent recent time out of the top division with a large fanbase who're trying to recaputure its former glory. Neither will be successfull in that respect because times have changed in the footballing world.
SportBoy333
11 Jul 2007, 12:39 AM
Here's the original link (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tuttomercatoweb.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Dread%26id%3D66862&langpair=it%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools). I don't know how reputable the source is.
Tuttomercato is like tribalfootball.com. Neither are very reptutable.
Napoli is the Italian version of St. Etienne. A once big European club who's spent recent time out of the top division with a large fanbase who're trying to recaputure its former glory. Neither will be successfull in that respect because times have changed in the footballing world.
Please, don't compare us to a lowly French side. I really can't see what you can brag about when we're talking about Ligue 1. :rolleyes: You have ONE team to compete with, when we have a solid 6 others. Where was Lyon 10 years ago? Don't act like you've been the best French team for some time now. At least Marseille can say they've won the CL;)
Tuttomercato is like tribalfootball.com. Neither are very reptutable.
And what is? ESPN? lol How can you compare the two? Rumors are rumors, but TMW is known to be fairly accurate and usually posts OFFICIAL transfers before any other source. Where are you getting your information from?
Allez Lyonnais
11 Jul 2007, 01:21 AM
Please, don't compare us to a lowly French side. I really can't see what you can brag about when we're talking about Ligue 1. :rolleyes: You have ONE team to compete with, when we have a solid 6 others. Where was Lyon 10 years ago? Don't act like you've been the best French team for some time now. At least Marseille can say they've won the CL;)
What did we say? :confused:
What did we say? :confused:
Most of you were nice, especially the guy from Boston. my fellow partenopei was just asking a question. It's just a rumor, no need to degrade Napoli by saying this kid is "too good" for us.
Inara
11 Jul 2007, 01:28 AM
Sorry, I have to respond to this...
Please, don't compare us to a lowly French side. I really can't see what you can brag about when we're talking about Ligue 1. :rolleyes: You have ONE team to compete with, when we have a solid 6 others.
You're right, Ligue 1 is one-sided at the moment, but it's not like most other Serie A sides have a chance at winning the Scudetto anytime soon either. ;) In Italy, if you aren't one of the big 3, chances of winning a title are slim. So while the competition is more exhilarating, and the end of the day, most Serie A clubs are fighting for UEFA cup spots.
And for the record, St. Etienne was not a lowly club in the past. It was one of the biggest French clubs in the seventies and is currently the record holder for most domestic championships. Unfortunately, the club declined in the eighties. While Napoli's history is more glamorous, I think the point SB was making is that both clubs are following the same trend.
Where was Lyon 10 years ago? Don't act like you've been the best French team for some time now. At least Marseille can say they've won the CL;)
Again, you're right, but your point here is totally irrelevant. We're all aware that Lyon was a small club ten years ago, and we're also aware that OM is the only French club with a CL title. But Lyon is the best French team right now. And despite playing in an inferior league, it's not a stretch to say that they are one of the top ten clubs in Europe.
At this moment, Lyon can offer more to a young French international like Toulalan than midtable Serie A clubs. Now, can Napoli offer more to players (the ones not worried about a spot on the France NT) than most other French clubs? Most likely yes.
Inara
11 Jul 2007, 01:32 AM
Most of you were nice, especially the guy from Boston. my fellow partenopei was just asking a question. It's just a rumor, no need to degrade Napoli by saying this kid is "too good" for us.
I'm sorry if you thought we were degrading Napoli - that wasn't the intention, as most of us have the utmost respect for them. And it's not that Toulalan is too good for you guys. Last year, he was playing at Nantes, which has now been relegated. It's just that this particular transfer doesn't make much sense.
That's why it's just a rumor. I know Saint Etienne was a good squad in the past, but to compare us with them now is inaccurate. We could actually say we're at a point where Lyon was after it's promotion from Ligue 2 in the 80s I believe. Give us some time and we'll be a solid squad once again. And I disagree about the big 3 clubs of Italy being the only contenders for years to come, but more likely than not you'll be right.
We're a young team, and I don't see how any player wouldn't benefit from playing against some of the better teams in Europe such as Milan, Inter, and Juve. I would think the French NT would encourage it's youth to play in more competitive leagues...but I see why Lyon and Marseille are the exception because of the CL, but it's not too far off from being more competitive than Serie A.
Allez Lyonnais
11 Jul 2007, 02:01 AM
That's why it's just a rumor. I know Saint Etienne was a good squad in the past, but to compare us with them now is inaccurate. We could actually say we're at a point where Lyon was after it's promotion from Ligue 2 in the 80s I believe. Give us some time and we'll be a solid squad once again. And I disagree about the big 3 clubs of Italy being the only contenders for years to come, but more likely than not you'll be right.
We're a young team, and I don't see how any player wouldn't benefit from playing against some of the better teams in Europe such as Milan, Inter, and Juve. I would think the French NT would encourage it's youth to play in more competitive leagues...but I see why Lyon and Marseille are the exception because of the CL, but it's not too far off from being more competitive than Serie A.
He will benefit a lot more from playing for one of those clubs you mentioned. Till then, the kid would be better off here.
Inara
11 Jul 2007, 02:06 AM
That's why it's just a rumor. I know Saint Etienne was a good squad in the past, but to compare us with them now is inaccurate. We could actually say we're at a point where Lyon was after it's promotion from Ligue 2 in the 80s I believe. Give us some time and we'll be a solid squad once again. And I disagree about the big 3 clubs of Italy being the only contenders for years to come, but more likely than not you'll be right.
From what I know about Napoli, after their relegation to Serie C (due to financial irregularities, right?), the club is being more careful about its long term plans. Lyon spent 20 years crawling up from L2, but the result was the creation of a nearly unshakable foundation. If Napoli can do the same, it's good news for Serie A, which has a financial backbone made of cheesecloth. Though as long as the top three clubs get most of the money, it will be hard for any club to break their hegemony, even Roma and Fiorentina (though it is possible). It's the same in any big league and why Lyon are champions - they have the money to sustain a long campaign while their competitors don't.
We're a young team, and I don't see how any player wouldn't benefit from playing against some of the better teams in Europe such as Milan, Inter, and Juve. I would think the French NT would encourage it's youth to play in more competitive leagues...but I see why Lyon and Marseille are the exception because of the CL, but it's not too far off from being more competitive than Serie A.
It's true that there is better opposition in Serie A, but you need to give some credit to L1 too. France is home to the biggest pool of young talent in Europe, though the players are eventually lured away by leagues that offer more money. L1 games aren't afternoon strolls, and I honestly believe if the French teams had more money, they would be more competitive with Lyon. Unfortunately, the league is seen as easy because Lyon always seem to be winning it.
As for the France NT - it's actually quite an exclusive club. Just like in Italy, players who play abroad have a tough time getting into the team unless they are established like Henry, Gallas, Makelele, Sagnol, etc. Mexes, for example, still hasn't managed to be a regular despite solid performances for Roma. However, the difference between our respective NTs is while Doni will pick players from all over Serie A, Domenech picks L1 players almost exclusively from Lyon, with a few players from Marseille and PSG, and the odd kid from a small club when there is an injury crisis. Domenech is also a firm believer in developing talent, and France is one of the best places for it. He encourages all young players to stay in France as long as possible, where they are supported by their families and their clubs. Only when they are ready should they make the move to a bigger club in a more competitive league. It's why he told Benzema and Nasri to stay in France, and why he rebuked Gourcuff for wilting on the benches of AC Milan.