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DiVo0oNeH
08 Jul 2007, 10:39 PM
Bring it on?

I think the mexicans will play the same way they did with brazil defend then counter attack so the defense should keep their eyes open for at least the first half

Winston Wolf
09 Jul 2007, 01:47 AM
Excuse me, but Mexico will NOT counter-attack. Are you kidding? Mexico plays a 4-4-2 and the formation is not altered for anyone, and that includes Argies.

I really hope that Tevez gets the start because quite frankly, regardless of what Basile says, he's more competitive than Milito. I know that a DT's vision is crucial but as you all saw against Peru, Tevez is more dynamic and his velocity far outweighs the fact that "he's not a true 9."

I can't wait to see if Argie's back line is still in shape to handle a youngster like Castillo. They should be, they're training against Tevez and MESSI (which in my opinion is the BEST player in the world, even better that 'Dinho).

I can't wait for this game. After my family, football is the elixir of my life.

Dr. Know
09 Jul 2007, 01:52 AM
Excuse me, but Mexico will NOT counter-attack. Are you kidding? Mexico plays a 4-4-2 and the formation is not altered for anyone, and that includes Argies.


If Mexico scores first they will play counter attack. That's why I believe they are going to go all out during the first 20 minutes or so. It's the tactic they've always used. Last Copa America they did it, last WC they did it. This CA they used it against Brasil and they used it against Ecuador.

cordobesenUS
09 Jul 2007, 08:25 AM
If mexico goes all out, they are dead from the beginning. the only reason why Brasil didn't destroy them was because the mexicans were all hiding inside the goal line.

big daddy
09 Jul 2007, 10:35 AM
It will be interesting to see if Basile opts for Tevez instead of Milito. In my opinion he should.

I have nothing against Milito, he suffered from a lack of service in the first half against Peru, and he always takes up good positions. I would usually opt for a centre forward in the side, but there's no denying Tevez had a dramatic impact against Peru, and I think the time is apt for him to start.

Tevez posesses a quality that has been acutely lacking in the Argentine national team for a long time now, regardless of all the wonderfully talented players they possess. He has real leadership quality, the mentality of a winner, and balls of steel. You just get the feeling, with Tevez in the side, Argentina will have that extra ingredient that can take them through adversity, should it arise. He has an inner belief and determination that is infectious and lifts the whole side to greater feats.

If I were Basile, I would get this guy incorporated as much as possible, and make him feel a key component. That way you get the best out of him and he helps you march on to victory.

Dr. Know
09 Jul 2007, 10:49 AM
If mexico goes all out, they are dead from the beginning.

I don't necessarily think so. Remember Argentina starts out very slow. In 2 of the 4 games they got scored on first and in the other ones the goals didn't come till the second half. They like to play at their own pace. No rushing and keeping calm.

Mexico on the other hand have gotten their first goal in all the games very fast in the first half. They come out swinging and Castillo starts creating havok right away. That's why I'm saying the defense needs to step up especailly at the beginning because I know they want to get that first goal fast so they can then counter.

LMexiquita
09 Jul 2007, 12:01 PM
If mexico goes all out, they are dead from the beginning. the only reason why Brasil didn't destroy them was because the mexicans were all hiding inside the goal line.

jajajaja ,che bolud@ in futbol what mater is who WINS the match not who plays pretty. Agies are a better team and IF the Agies do win will probably win a close game. Look for this two guys to have there best game in CA Guardado & Castillo

FWS93
09 Jul 2007, 12:08 PM
It will be interesting to see if Basile opts for Tevez instead of Milito. In my opinion he should.

I have nothing against Milito, he suffered from a lack of service in the first half against Peru, and he always takes up good positions. I would usually opt for a centre forward in the side, but there's no denying Tevez had a dramatic impact against Peru, and I think the time is apt for him to start.

Tevez posesses a quality that has been acutely lacking in the Argentine national team for a long time now, regardless of all the wonderfully talented players they possess. He has real leadership quality, the mentality of a winner, and balls of steel. You just get the feeling, with Tevez in the side, Argentina will have that extra ingredient that can take them through adversity, should it arise. He has an inner belief and determination that is infectious and lifts the whole side to greater feats.

If I were Basile, I would get this guy incorporated as much as possible, and make him feel a key component. That way you get the best out of him and he helps you march on to victory.

i would love to see tevez start but i think the lineup will stay the same, so will basile's choice of shirt, he is very superstitious;)

Mosco
09 Jul 2007, 02:17 PM
The I see Mexico beating Argentina shut down Riquelme an Zannetti seems Zanetti is the transporter across the field then he passes to Riquelme thats were Torrado and correa come in and destroy their game!

elciclon
09 Jul 2007, 02:26 PM
The I see Mexico beating Argentina shut down Riquelme an Zannetti seems Zanetti is the transporter across the field then he passes to Riquelme thats were Torrado and correa come in and destroy their game!

and then comes messi, aimar, veron, milito or tevez, and heinze. who do you guys have to stop them. also we should score early. lets see how unibrow does against ayala. ((not saying nery is bad but ayala is a wc defender.)

el chingon
09 Jul 2007, 03:26 PM
I'm worried about Argentina's offense, hopefully they have a bad day.

You guys could bring the ball trough the middle with Messi, Riquelme etc. Or if that doesn't work you can use the wings with Zanetti.

It would be very important for Mexico to score first, also Mexico has to try more long range shots. Guardado has seemed kind of afraid to try long range shots.

He tried some against Paraguay but most of the time the ball was in his right foot or he didn't have enough time.

zampi
09 Jul 2007, 04:02 PM
"in futbol what mater is who WINS the match not who plays pretty"...this is not what Mexicans say every time they lose to the US!
"It would be very important for Mexico to score first..."
I agree with other posters here, if Mexico scores first they'll bunker down like they did against Brazil and Ecuador...and they'll play the counter attack.
Based on the previous CA matches that both teams played, I see Argentina winning this one.
It won't be a 4-0 but a 2-1, 2-0
The Argies have shown the best futbol so far in this CA, and if Brazil doesn't bring the game up (playing better than against Chile), Argentina's taking the cup home.
Also, be ready to see some beautiful runs from Messi and Castillo

AZTECA
09 Jul 2007, 04:22 PM
this is going to be the best game in copa america. the most dangerous people that I have seen from argentina is messi, tevez, and that guy who scored first when argentina played against peru. I just hope that we play well, good luck you guys

bsas
09 Jul 2007, 04:28 PM
this is going to be the best game in copa america. the most dangerous people that I have seen from argentina is messi, tevez, and that guy who scored first when argentina played against peru. I just hope that we play well, good luck you guys

That guy is called Riquelme, and he's pretty good :D

Illrod3
09 Jul 2007, 04:30 PM
I really hope that Tevez gets the start because quite frankly, regardless of what Basile says, he's more competitive than Milito. I know that a DT's vision is crucial but as you all saw against Peru, Tevez is more dynamic and his velocity far outweighs the fact that "he's not a true 9."

I expect that Milito will start and will be sub-out by Tevez later in the game if we haven't managed to score or if we are down. I think that this match will be much more physical and tenacious than the games have been so far and a true 9 who can win the ball inside the box could prove to be the difference in the game. Think of Crespo's goal against Mexico in the WC. If by early second half we still haven't score, then Tevez will provide a fresh and different approach to getting there. I only wish that Saviola was in the squad, he played great against them in the WC.

Illrod3
09 Jul 2007, 04:32 PM
That guy is called Riquelme, and he's pretty good

He had a good game, but I am still not conviced. I think that his teamates only hug him to cool off. :D

Dr. Know
09 Jul 2007, 04:42 PM
He had a good game, but I am still not conviced.

Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:

elciclon
09 Jul 2007, 04:51 PM
Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:
he had a really good 2nd half. but lets remember that we played against a us defense. and a colombian one that received 5 against paraguay. and peru strong point isnt unnecessarily defending. but he had a good game and we will see how he does against mexico a strong and organized defense.

rios
09 Jul 2007, 04:55 PM
I expect that Milito will start and will be sub-out by Tevez later in the game if we haven't managed to score or if we are down. I think that this match will be much more physical and tenacious than the games have been so far and a true 9 who can win the ball inside the box could prove to be the difference in the game. Think of Crespo's goal against Mexico in the WC. If by early second half we still haven't score, then Tevez will provide a fresh and different approach to getting there. I only wish that Saviola was in the squad, he played great against them in the WC.


ya, use milito's size to fatigue the mexican defense first. then put tevez in when they're tire to get opened.

vipnerd
09 Jul 2007, 05:29 PM
Last nite in the press conference, Basile was asked if Tevez would play against Mexico. He answered that if "it is up to me to make the team he would play". Quite sarcastic.

Also, if it wasn't done to motivate Carlitos ... he was assigned Messi as room mate. You can only imagine the chemistry between both by now.

Mexico will press in all sectors of the field, just as they did in the WC. They have less of an air threat now compared to last time. But tend to outnumber you in the midfield. It is important that Zanetti pushes forward to balance the mid and control Guardado or Morales if he gets to play.

Another thing to point out is that, with luck or not, they have only received 1 goal in this Copa America. But they did receive lots of danger in hteir box. It is as much a deficit from the attacking opposition as much as their organization.

Milito should start the game ... give Marquez and Co. a tuff time with the crosses and then bring Carlitos "Hulk" Tevez to rip them apart with his power and speed. The heat factor will once again be important to dosify.

As to Neri, he is a good player. He was given too much space by the Brazilians, who probably thought Neri was the player of the Gold Cup, where he pretty much was absent. Now that you know he has speed and good dribbling, the key is to anticipate him ... not let him receive the ball. Afterall, common! he is still playing at Olympiakos ... it is not as if he hasn't played in european club competition yet he is still there. No club was "sparked" by his performances. In other words, against better defenders, he has shown what he is made of. Lets hope he doesn't decide to open up on Wed.

The 90' to pks is BS thou. In the WC and Confederations Cup you knew you had 30 more minutes to open them up. This time Argentina needs to apply offensive pressure from the go. Score first and open them up.


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