Pinto se tiene que ir o no?

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Que opinan??

[crzdcolombian]

simply we wont get a better coach... we will get another Colombia team coach that will work for 30,000 a month. A great international coach is worth 100,000+ a month. Colombia has a great squad and pinto just needs a bit of time to weed out the bad fish like Calero and IRC. It was known b4 he took the driver seat of Colombia that PINTO DOES NOT WORK WELL WITH BIG NAME STAR PLAYErS OR EVEN OLDER PLAYERS. ITS HIS WAY OR THE HIGH WAY !! All the players with problems with him are those older players, and if they played badly just in spite then thats really messed up. I say we give Pinto another shot, but then again he needs to beat the US convincingly hopefully a 3-0 to ease the pain but we better get at least a friendly a month till qualifiers so he can figure out what type of style he is going to use because he took away the touch touch soccer we are known for and really hasnt added anything.

[Amercali]

hoy se sabe, si perdemos con un USA B el man se tiene que ir, no pedemos reisgar mas derrotas estupidas en una eliminatorias. todo esto es bien sencillo, si colombia pierde con bolivia en el segundo partido de las eliminatorias, no vamos a sud africa, punto.

[Pereira_17]

It's too soon. I agree with the thought that if we don't get at least 4 points from the 1st 3 games of las eliminatorias he should go.

Here's a better question though. Do you think that the coaches are to blame or the Federacion? Some of the guys that get called do not seem to be called for soccer reasons but for business reasons or to get sold (i.e. E. Perea, Rodallega, Banguero).

[Amercali]

It's too soon. I agree with the thought that if we don't get at least 4 points from the 1st 3 games of las eliminatorias he should go.

Here's a better question though. Do you think that the coaches are to blame or the Federacion? Some of the guys that get called do not seem to be called for soccer reasons but for business reasons or to get sold (i.e. E. Perea, Rodallega, Banguero).

the biggest blame goes to the players that were called up and played; and bad luck of playing in that group. they just aren't talented. thats why a good percentage of them are bench warmers on their respective clubs. and lets be real, we had to play the two best teams in the tournament, if we would of had to play peru, ecuador,chile,bolivia,uruguay and won some games, people would be talking about how great pinto is.

[Amercali]

we have been so unlucky lately in soccer.

1. we start off with the worst schedule in the eliminaotrias
2. two of our greatest players werent able to play in the copa america, mosquera and soto
3. cucuta had to play in that fog against boca which they had no chance, and blas perez had to play in the gold cup and couldnt play
4. copa america we had to play the two hardest teams right off the bat
5. we were told we didnt have to play ecuador in quito and now we do
6. probably the best colombian coach out there right now (Suarez) coaches another country

we can't catch a break. someone help us

[crzdcolombian]

the biggest blame goes to the players that were called up and played; and bad luck of playing in that group. they just aren't talented. thats why a good percentage of them are bench warmers on their respective clubs. and lets be real, we had to play the two best teams in the tournament, if we would of had to play peru, ecuador,chile,bolivia,uruguay and won some games, people would be talking about how great pinto is.

um... maybe can be said about Argentina but truth is they havent been playing too well. They suffered to beat Algeria and suffered to tie the Swiss which we basically dominated the whole game when we played them, we also beat Paraguay a month ago. The problem are the expierenced starts like Cordoba and Calero who basically run the team and do what they want. They basically cost us the Copa America and Pinto who wasnt able to stand up to them. I know if my coach knows that I play for my highschool any defensive postion and if my travel coach ask me to be a DM and I tell him that I am a sweeper and will only play that postion he will bench me and prob not play me all season. That is where Pinto messed up, Cordoba and Perea wont play postions that they do with their clubs they should have not been called.

Believe it or not but colombia has insane amounts of depth with players. If we had sent our 2005 sub 20 w/ castrillon, pino and cardenas we would have had an amazing team. Even if we had sent a team of the top 4 teams in colombia Nacional, Dep Cali, Cucuta, DIM w/ Cardenas, Montero we would have had a amazing team. Just an example
Ospina
Zuniga-Moreno-Mendoza-Bustos
Cardenas-Aldo-Castrillon-Mcnelly
Montero-Cesar Valoyes
subs: Zapata,Danilson, Herrera,etcs

not only that but how many players would have been sold if this team did as well as the last which is semis and they would have made it. I would have started Ospina the 1st game against paraguay and if he did bad use Zapata against the Argies, but Pinto picked a bad team of random players to sell. Heck this team couldnt beat Real Cartagena or America de Cali

[Pereira_17]

the biggest blame goes to the players that were called up and played; and bad luck of playing in that group. they just aren't talented. thats why a good percentage of them are bench warmers on their respective clubs. and lets be real, we had to play the two best teams in the tournament, if we would of had to play peru, ecuador,chile,bolivia,uruguay and won some games, people would be talking about how great pinto is.
Paraguay was not thought of as the 2nd best team in the group let alone the Copa at the start of the competition.

Who picked the team? Who chose to take players that are bench warmers on their respective teams? Was it Pinto or was the Federacion telling Pinto that he had to take them and play them?

[padrino187]

Pinto si se tiene ke ir... El problema es ke no resesuelve nada cambiando solo el tecnico..
Y Despues de el kien vendria??
La federacion no kiere gastar plata para traer a un extranjero...
Ademas kien se coge un equipo a dos meses de la eliminatoria??

[hadexxx]

yo lo cojeria! Que pinto regrese al cucuta y bernal a la seleccion, miren, bernal salio de tolima y tolima se acabo (primer indicador de que el tecnico era una pieza muy clave en el equipo y sabia hacer su trabajo). Llego a cucuta, un equipo campeon que aforntaba la libertadores en pocos dias y sobra hablar de la gran campanha (sendudo indicador de que sabe manejar grupos y es un gran tecnico, llego a un equipo campeon, lo supo manejar, y aparte manejo dos torneos cumpliendo una labor mas que acceptable en ambos, para un global excelente!)

Pinto quiso afrontar la copa america con un equipo que armo hace como 2 anhos y se enamoro de esa nomina.

[hadexxx]

Miren, no recuerdo si fue bernal o Lara, quien dijo "la seleccion no necesita tecnicos, lo que necesita son seleccionadores" los trabajos de tecniso se hacen a nivel club.

[efernandez9]

no se ha acabado el torneo CA
no sabemos lo que paso por dentro, esperemos que hablen la semana entrante cuando unos viajen a mejico y otros a Europe (de lejos si hablan los que no vuleven o no?)

[padrino187]

no se ha acabado el torneo CA
no sabemos lo que paso por dentro, esperemos que hablen la semana entrante cuando unos viajen a mejico y otros a Europe (de lejos si hablan los que no vuleven o no?)

Ke den la cara apenas se termine la CA hablar de lejos es de covardes ke hablen claro ante los colombianos y digan ke pasò...

[crzdcolombian]

Ke den la cara apenas se termine la CA hablar de lejos es de covardes ke hablen claro ante los colombianos y digan ke pasò...

alot of the players dont want to change colombias style of play they dont like the offensive pressuring style of Pinto and this is the problem. They want to play like Colombia but how well has playing like Colombia got us in the past 10 years? I love being able to say we had the best defense in SA for the past 8 years but I would have prefered to say we went to the last 2 World Cups.... how about u?

Pinto needs to be given a shot. The 1st 4 games of Qualifiers start Sep-November changing a coach is insane right now then the next are in Feb. Colombia needs to give Pinto this chance. WE NEED A CHANGE !! Valderamma is no longer with us guys we cant play that #10 game, cause we dont have one and that type of soccer is dead !! Get over it, we need to change a style and thats what Pinto is tring to do we just need players that work and will do what ever he says ala Cucuta and why they are good because no one can tell me that any of Cucuta's players are the best player in that postion in the colombian league. They just have the discipline that other colombian teams dont.

[minus]

Miren, no recuerdo si fue bernal o Lara, quien dijo "la seleccion no necesita tecnicos, lo que necesita son seleccionadores" los trabajos de tecniso se hacen a nivel club.

Eso si es verdad....

Colombia tiene con que especialmente lo jugadores jovenes.. Tenemos una buena lista de jugadore menores de 27 para base del equipo lo que falta es alguien que sepa..

[efernandez9]

Eso si es verdad....

Colombia tiene con que especialmente lo jugadores jovenes.. Tenemos una buena lista de jugadore menores de 27 para base del equipo lo que falta es alguien que sepa..
pero hay que ver la competencia tambien -
los mas flojos de todos: bolivia levanto su nivel de buena manera y venezuela de local es muy dificil

no vas a poner un poco de pelaos sub23, con mediana experiencia frente a un brazil o uruguay con colmillo bien largo!

[minus]

pero hay que ver la competencia tambien -
los mas flojos de todos: bolivia levanto su nivel de buena manera y venezuela de local es muy dificil

no vas a poner un poco de pelaos sub23, con mediana experiencia frente a un brazil o uruguay con colmillo bien largo!

Y que trajo Brazil ?? Una sub 23 practicamente... Hay jugar lo mejor que tiene Colombia y no importa la edad y donde juegan. Los pelaos tiene que jugar para que cojan experiencia. Esa es la unica forma.. Olvidense de eso viejo que hicieron su plata y no tienen la misma hambre que antes. Ay que darle a la oportunidad a lo que tienen hambre y ganas de seguir adelante...

[pibe10]

I dont think Pinto should go....usually it's not healthy to fire coach after 2 games, even that they were horrible. but I think the FCF needs to clear Pinto few things, cuz I dont think that he realize what job he's into. after calero I would send back home IRC, Vallejo, Arizala, Vargas, Viafara, Banguero.....we need to start from new, with younger players who show their talent in the 2005 combined with some experienced players, Ferreira, Mosquera, Zapata, maybe to give another shot to Giovanny Hernandez. what about el viejo that had a great season with us, the same as Aldo, Zuniga, Ospina, Martinez, Bustos, Macnelly, Guarin, Pino.....we have so much talented players, for sure more then Paraguay, but they were more discipline then us in the first match. IRC doesnt wanna play RB and suddenly perea doesnt wanna play RB, but the players have to understand that only the coach decide who plays and where. when our team will be discipline, then we can thinkabout soccer properly. I think we should give Pinto a chance, at least with the first four qualifying matches, even though they all will be hard.

[padrino187]

pero hay que ver la competencia tambien -
los mas flojos de todos: bolivia levanto su nivel de buena manera y venezuela de local es muy dificil

no vas a poner un poco de pelaos sub23, con mediana experiencia frente a un brazil o uruguay con colmillo bien largo!


Efe sinceramente en este momento creo ke lo mejor es empezar a cn los jovenes ke suden la camiseta ke tomen experiencia jugando....
Los viejos no nos dieron nada... vamos a ver ke nos dan los jovenes...

En el peor de los casos hay dos opciones
1)Si kedamos afuera de Surafrica 2010 cn la generacion joven almenos sabemos ke consiguieron experiencia y se hicieron los musculos para el futuro.
2)Si kedamos afuera de Surfafrica cn los viejos nos kedamos cn un monton de jovenes talentuosos sin experiencia pq no quisimos arriesgarnos y nos confiamos de los viejos...
De las dos prefiero la primera...
Ademas los jovenes llegan cn la barriga vacia ganas de triunfar ganas de mostrarse el entusiasmo es mucho mas alto....

[ryu79]

Hasta ver el partido de hoy estaba bien con dejarlo seguir a Pinto, pero mirando el RIDICULO que acaba de armar contra los Estados Unidos definitivamente tengo que decir: NO MAS!

Una cosa es perder con Argentina y Paraguay pero otra cosa es mandar a un equipo netamente demotivado y sin verguenza a la cancha a quemar tiempo en cada oportunidad. Fue obvia sugerencia del tecnico porque TODOS nuestros jugadores estaban quemando tiempo, hasta Rufay que se hizo expulsar - POR DIOS.

Creo que Viafara camino media hora saliendo del campo! Y Valoyes otra! Que cosa tan vergonzosa. Contra un equipo inferior, juvenil, y teniendo una ventaja.

Sabiendo la deuda futbolistica que tenia con el pais, Pinto se la jugo a puro cobardia instruyendole a sus jugadores a matar el espectaculo. Que desolucion.