Optimismo/Pesimismo?

[Pablinsky]

We have good players but not a good team

What are you drinking? We have average players. We just believe our own press and think they are good.

[MetroChile]

What are you drinking? We have average players. We just believe our own press and think they are good.

Well, let's see now, who do we have?
-Currently, the best SA player ('06 winner).
-The best DM in Brazil.
-The best foreign player in Brazil at the moment.
-The world's top goal scorer from last year.
-The 5th best Gk in Spain (who played for a sh!t team, mind you).
;)

One thing is to have a good team and the other one is to have good players. :)

Metro

[The Prophet]

Well, let's see now, who do we have?
-Currently, the best SA player ('06 winner).
-The best DM in Brazil.
-The best foreign player in Brazil at the moment.
-The world's top goal scorer from last year.
-The 5th best Gk in Spain (who played for a sh!t team, mind you).
;)

One thing is to have a good team and the other one is to have good players. :)

Metro

Yes we may have all this great players everywere but when they get together for a tournament we stink and thats the truth. For once in my life time I would like to see a chilean team play its heart out for the entire 90 minutes like other great futbol countries do. I dont care if we lose but damm we gave it all on the field.

[Yañez]

Yes we may have all this great players everywere but when they get together for a tournament we stink and thats the truth. For once in my life time I would like to see a chilean team play its heart out for the entire 90 minutes like other great futbol countries do. I dont care if we lose but damm we gave it all on the field.

Thats what we have been saying, good players but bad team.

[Pablinsky]

Well, let's see now, who do we have?
-Currently, the best SA player ('06 winner).
-The best DM in Brazil.
-The best foreign player in Brazil at the moment.
-The world's top goal scorer from last year.
-The 5th best Gk in Spain (who played for a sh!t team, mind you).
;)

One thing is to have a good team and the other one is to have good players. :)

Metro

You call this good? I call it average. ZAMORANO in Real Madrid was good; Salas in lazio was good.

[Pablinsky]

-Currently, the best SA player ('06 winner).
Metro

Like I said, you are believing our own marketing. Do you really think Fernadndez is the best SA player?
He's got talent, NO QUESTION. But that talent took him right in to the bench of a mid-table team in Spain.

I call that average.

[MetroChile]

Like I said, you are believing our own marketing. Do you really think Fernadndez is the best SA player?
He's got talent, NO QUESTION. But that talent took him right in to the bench of a mid-table team in Spain.

I call that average.

He was voted by the SA press as the best player in SA last year. I wouldn't call that my own marketing. ;)

IIRC, Villarreal finished 5th-6th, not exactly mid table (UEFA Cup territory, in fact). :eek: (As a sidenote, they were the only team in Spain able to team all the teams in the top 5.)

What else you got? :D

Metro

[Yañez]

Like I said, you are believing our own marketing. Do you really think Fernadndez is the best SA player?
He's got talent, NO QUESTION. But that talent took him right in to the bench of a mid-table team in Spain.

I call that average.

its not our marketing, its uruguayan :rolleyes:

Villarreal is better than a mid table team , they have played in europe 2 of 3 times in the past seasons (including now). No one expected him to be a superstar the first season. Any person with enough info (or brains) would know he is too tired (even Pellegrini has said so) plus he has to get used to la liga.

[Pablinsky]

He was voted by the SA press as the best player in SA last year. I wouldn't call that my own marketing. ;)

IIRC, Villarreal finished 5th-6th, not exactly mid table (UEFA Cup territory, in fact). :eek: (As a sidenote, they were the only team in Spain able to team all the teams in the top 5.)

What else you got? :D

Metro

You call it good. I call it average.

[Pablinsky]

its not our marketing, its uruguayan :rolleyes:

Villarreal is better than a mid table team , they have played in europe 2 of 3 times in the past seasons (including now). No one expected him to be a superstar the first season. Any person with enough info (or brains) would know he is too tired (even Pellegrini has said so) plus he has to get used to la liga.

All I'm saying is that we need to demand more from our players. We all believe the press and start believing that we have an "above average" team when in fact we DO NOT.

Let's face it, we do not have an above average team

[MetroChile]

You call it good. I call it average.

I think most people would call it good.
In terms of players making an impact in European leagues we're not far off Ecuador and Paraguay (we probably have more players making an actual impact in Europe).
I think you let your personal views on this cloud your judgment.

And the "press" theory: I don't buy it. All Chileans players that imho have something to offer I've seen at one point or the other and thus feel as though I am able to make a fair judgment on them all. :)

Metro

[Pablinsky]

I think most people would call it good.

Most CHILEANS call it good. I can agree with that.

But realisticly speaking. If you pull ALL Futbol journalist of the world to rank the Chilean team, we will be ranked AVERAGE or BELOW AVERAGE.

[mcready]

pucha que lata no cachar mucho de Ingles...
y que dijo el otro?

[Pablinsky]

IAll Chileans players that imho have something to offer I've seen at one point or the other and thus feel as though I am able to make a fair judgment on them all.

Can you make a fair judgement of the other teams?

[Pablinsky]

pucha que lata no cachar mucho de Ingles...
y que dijo el otro?

Yo digo que Chile es un equipo "promedio", Metro dice que que Chile es un "buen equipo"

[MetroChile]

pucha que lata no cachar mucho de Ingles...
y que dijo el otro?

Dice que solo tenemos jugadores promedio que no sobrepasan la media (lo dice el Sr. Pablinsky).

Yo digo que tenemos jugadores buenos, pero que aun no tenemos un equipo bien conformado (que son cosas distintas). :)

Metro

[MetroChile]

Yo digo que Chile es un equipo "promedio", Metro dice que que Chile es un "buen equipo"

Correcion (nuevamente): yo dije que son dos cosas distintas. Dije que teniamos buenos jugadores pero aun no un buen equipo. Vale la aclaracion. :)

Metro

[mcready]

sabrosa la polemica.
Yo creo que tenemos un par de buenos jugadores, pero el resto es ahi no mas.
No tenemos tipos que uno diga si este es indiscutido (algunos si como Valdivia, Fernandez 100%, Suazo) pero del resto creo que son buenos jugadores, si todos fueran indiscutidos seriamos casi Brasil.

La discusion anterior algo la entendi (cuando hablan con el gringo) pero no cache bien. (esto es por culpa de la LOCE :))

[MetroChile]

La discusion anterior algo la entendi (cuando hablan con el gringo) pero no cache bien. (esto es por culpa de la LOCE :))

Jajajajaja.

Lo de "Brasil" como tu acotabas... por eso mantengo que tenemos (algunos) buenos jugadores (obviamente no todos), pero sostengo que son dos cosas distintas--un equipo y varios jugadores. El Inter de Milan por anhos tuvo muchisimos jugadores buenos, pero nunca un buen equipo (y por ende, nunca campeonaban).

Metro

[Yañez]

Most CHILEANS call it good. I can agree with that.

But realisticly speaking. If you pull ALL Futbol journalist of the world to rank the Chilean team, we will be ranked AVERAGE or BELOW AVERAGE.

pero obvio k dirian k chile es un equipo de bajo promedio. Pero si miramos a los jugadores individualmente es diferente, en sudamerica por lo menos son jugadores buenos.