Spanish Authorities To Make La Liga sanitized like the premiership!!!!

[purpleronnie]

From what I've heard from a spanish friend of mine that the spanish government are clamping down big time on the ultras:-

Any little incident inside or outside a stadium results in a MINIMUM fine of 60,000 euros 45,000 pounds that is. Per Fan eh, not the club.

No Ultra transport allowed, no websites, no Club organizing tickets for them etc

Again its based around money, they want to attract the high wage earners who they say are put with the not so family orientated clubs, and are afraid top players might not go if racism carries on in spain.

There model seems to be in england which has wiped out the working class fan (or at least most of them), with the high ticket prices, cctv, big punishments for anyone breaking the smallest of rules i.e. Those two fans from man u who got locked up and fined for throwing a toilet roll on the pitch.

I hope this doesn't carry on because I no longer go to watch my team because I can't support them in the way I want unless I want to be arrested for standing up. It would be a real shame if the rest of europe follows our lead.

[onefineesq]

so clamping down on racism is a bad thing in your eyes? thanks for letting us all know.

[Kathanaccio]

Boo hoo hoo. :rolleyes:

[purpleronnie]

No no, thats a very positive thing, but I can't help that it will replace the decent atmosphere with the morgues we get in the UK now.

[ForeverRed]

No no, thats a very positive thing, but I can't help that it will replace the decent atmosphere with the morgues we get in the UK now.

Morgues? Ever been to Anfield?

[Yañez]

Morgues? Ever been to Anfield?

No need to, we have tv's

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Morgues? Ever been to Anfield?

If it is not a big game then it is a morgue.

[Doc_Aeppler]

the beautiful modern football... :(

Reclaim the game!

[Kathanaccio]

the beautiful modern football... :(

Reclaim the game!
And of course everything will get better if only there were less seats and lower priced tickets. Not to mention stadiums not carrying sponsors' names. Because this naturally guarantees a better atmosphere. Oh how the cruel corporate world treads down on the football lover!

[Milliano]

If ticket price is a problem then just go watch a lower division club. The others will vote with their wallet by saying they'd rather pay the money to finance a club's success and enjoy watching it happen.

[Leedsunited]

If it is not a big game then it is a morgue.

Elland Road, even half empty? Stadium of Light? Upton Park? You largely forget that a proportion of fans at all those venues are in favour of standing including myself, and do generate an atmosphere. Unfortunately for those of us who grew up in the mid nineties and are now 20+ year old adults had the chance to stand at games taken away by previous generations who just couldn't behave themselves.:rolleyes:

[RichardL]

Elland Road, even half empty? Stadium of Light? Upton Park? You largely forget that a proportion of fans at all those venues are in favour of standing including myself, and do generate an atmosphere. Unfortunately for those of us who grew up in the mid nineties and are now 20+ year old adults had the chance to stand at games taken away by previous generations who just couldn't behave themselves.:rolleyes:standing was stopped because of hillsborough, not crowd trouble.

while the atmosphere of the old days can be exaggerated like the hot long summers of our youth, it really was a lot better back then. Anfield really can be a library for atmosphere. The fans all join in with you'll never walk alone before kick-off (but only when prompted by the PA system) and then sit back in silence. I'm sure big games are different, but it didn't used to take a big game to spark the atmosphere before.

[Leedsunited]

standing was stopped because of hillsborough, not crowd trouble.

while the atmosphere of the old days can be exaggerated like the hot long summers of our youth, it really was a lot better back then. Anfield really can be a library for atmosphere. The fans all join in with you'll never walk alone before kick-off (but only when prompted by the PA system) and then sit back in silence. I'm sure big games are different, but it didn't used to take a big game to spark the atmosphere before.

I know the law was changed because of Hillsbrough, but surely we who support planned standing areas at English grounds, would perhaps have a leg to stand on were it not for the trouble at games. I'm sure the police and Home Office etc who need to decide on this issue would look at it in a fairer way. Last season I as well as other Leeds season ticket holders was sent a 'questionnaire' about standing/seating. The first question was "Fans standing at football matches impede the view of younger supporters etc, Do you agree with this statement?" Is that not a loaded question? I honestly think that the lack of restraint from the fans and lack of control by the police, led to the situations we see know. It may be better to treat us like unruly schoolkids who need to be told not to shout, swear or stand up, than to treat fans like caged animals, but If they could trust the fans then I'm sure they'd look upon the requests for a return to terracing on the German model. At Leeds the fans in the Revie Stand do not sit down and don't stop singing, we get asked to sit down, etc but these requests are largely ignored. Sir Alex Ferguson called Elland Road one of the most intimidating atmospheres in football. The Revie stand, despite falling attendances remains full, and of some 10,000 season tickets sold, almost half of those will be in the Kop, including mine. Teams like Liverpool, and other top Prem teams need to sell the exec seats unfortunately which normally means that the sides of the ground generate no atmosphere whatsoever. I can imagine the atmosphere, indeed when I was 6 I was taken to Elland Road as they won promotion and I was actually scared by the noise. Its a shame this has been lost, I only wish when fans had less restrictions that they were mature enough to obey those that were there. Because of this I think that campaigns such as Stand Up Sit Down are banging their heads against a locked door.:rolleyes:

[RichardL]

I know the law was changed because of Hillsbrough, but surely we who support planned standing areas at English grounds, would perhaps have a leg to stand on were it not for the trouble at games.

the FLA, who decide these this, have a whole list of imaginary disasters that are just waiting to happen. Standing up in seating areas, for example, is banned because fans might fall over and cacade down the seating area. That this has never happened doesn't matter.

That terracing works in Germany isn't considered "evidence" either, as apparently German fans support differently.


Only now, when voices in the government are asking for a rethink, are they suggesting terracing will lead to violence.

The problem is that they are an unelected body who are answerable to nobody. They don't need to have a leg to stand on, because it's their decision.

Either they have a hidden agenda or they really believe the nonsense they come out with.

It may be better to treat us like unruly schoolkids who need to be told not to shout, swear or stand up, than to treat fans like caged animals, but If they could trust the fans then I'm sure they'd look upon the requests for a return to terracing on the German model.

fences came down years before grounds were all seater. Loads predicted there would be riots on a regular basis. There weren't.

German grounds still have fences, as do most grounds in europe. It can be quite shock to stand on a terrace at a game abroad and remember just how dreadful the view through a fence is.

At Leeds the fans in the Revie Stand do not sit down and don't stop singing, we get asked to sit down, etc but these requests are largely ignored.... Teams like Liverpool, and other top Prem teams need to sell the exec seats unfortunately which normally means that the sides of the ground generate no atmosphere whatsoever.

even in the days of terracing, except when a main terrace was at a side, the sides were always quiet. This idea that all supporters were young back then and sang their hearts out is just misty-eyed nostalgic rubbish - and usually it's nostalgia from people too young to remember. Every ground had a hard core area, usually an end, where all the young went and sang, and the rest of the ground didn't sing at all.

[Mad2Ad]

yeah la liga does need to change allthough i think that problems there are not helped when Luis Aragonez says racist remarks about thierry henry and he doesn't even get the sack. when glenn hoddle( was england manager then) made remarks about disabled people he got the sack like a day after saying them. also when the spainish fans started making monkey chants at the england players the spainish fa was fined by uefa a grand total of 44,000 euros which is not even 30,000 pounds. these are not the best examples to set.

the mention that the working class fan doesn't attend premiership football is bit wrong as i go to lots of different matches and i am not on alot of money there are many others like this and the working class men dominate the football grounds still. allthough it is a point there about the prices and the so called prawn cocktail fans eg the ones roy keane pointed out at man u etc.

i do agree tht with all the modern stadiums around now that some atmosphere has been lost allthough the atmosphere in other stadiums around the world are no better then in england so why just moan about our own atmosphere i cannot think of a genuinely really good consistently stadium generating atmosphere. liverpool is awesome on european nights and other big matches but thats about it. no other club can compete with anfield though how can we complain. most foreign players who come to the premiership mention how loud the stadiums are here due to the closeness of the stands to the pitches eg Carlos Tevez, Cristiano Ronaldo Thierry Henry.

[nicephoras]

Oh please. I've been to plenty of LaLiga matches. The atmosphere now is considerably worse than the premiership, even for big games (Real vs. Barca excepted).

[GavinZac]

so clamping down on racism is a bad thing in your eyes? thanks for letting us all know.

Being an Ultra does not make you racist.

[Antonio81]

Oh please. I've been to plenty of La Liga matches. The atmosphere now is considerably worse than the premiership, even for big games (Real vs. Barca excepted).Worse how(no sarcasm intended)? I´ve been to a ton of Atletico Madrid/Deportivo La Coroña games and it came across as a picnic in the park. Nothing even remotely resembling the riots in England in the 70s and 80s.

The lower divisions have big racial problems though.

[RichardL]

Worse how(no sarcasm intended)? I´ve been to a ton of Atletico Madrid/Deportivo La Coroña games and it came across as a picnic in the park. Nothing even remotely resembling the riots in England in the 70s and 80s.

The lower divisions have big racial problems though.

I'd guess worse as in having very little atmosphere - i.e just like the picnic in the park you are describing.

[nicephoras]

Yup. Very quiet, very little chanting or singing. The Nou Camp is a surprisingly quiet place.