Canada got screwed

[Awesom-O]

I know I know, you guys have heard this a lot. I just want you to know many Americans also believe this. Any casual soccer fan could tell he was onsides, WTF!? That was clearly the tying goal...and even the crowd didnt know how to respond when the final whistle was blown.

Canadian played well and really wanted the game in the final 30 minutes or so. Hume's goal was amazing...and I pretty much feel like it should be Canada vs Mexico in the final. With Canada's momentum after tying 2-2 I think we would have lost in ET or PKs.

At least other teams are competing in CONCACAF now...Mexico looked pretty bad vs their competition.

[Kevin McMillan]

It was an unfortunate situation... it happens... even more unfortunately it happens fairly regularly in CONCACAF.

Not much good will come from bitching about it, nothing we can say that hasn't been said hundreds of times before... so be it.

[Soccerprep]

one thing that I want to say is that after watching your team play, I am really scared to play you guys in qualifying.

You guys have been improving by leaps and bounds.

[Bruce S]

I know I know, you guys have heard this a lot. I just want you to know many Americans also believe this. Any casual soccer fan could tell he was onsides, WTF!? That was clearly the tying goal...and even the crowd didnt know how to respond when the final whistle was blown.

Canadian played well and really wanted the game in the final 30 minutes or so. Hume's goal was amazing...and I pretty much feel like it should be Canada vs Mexico in the final. With Canada's momentum after tying 2-2 I think we would have lost in ET or PKs.

At least other teams are competing in CONCACAF now...Mexico looked pretty bad vs their competition.
you did get a bad call- we have been there many times. But what we have learned: don't get yourself in a hole where one call determines the game. If your fate lies with an offside call in the 94th minute, you will probably not win. We lost to Germany at WC 2002 and a horrible non-call on a handball on the freakin goal line. But...... we had several other chances to score and we missed them. Any time you NEED a call like either of those, you are just not good enough. You will get some, you will not get many.
Respect to the Leafs: good progress, keep it going!!

[SoccerFreak]

You guys played some of the best soccer, if not THE best soccer, in this tournament. And by the looks at how good your U-20s are playing I only see Canada getting better. I don't think Mexico or the US are going to have it easy anymore.

[robycapone]

You guys played some of the best soccer, if not THE best soccer, in this tournament. And by the looks at how good your U-20s are playing I only see Canada getting better. I don't think Mexico or the US are going to have it easy anymore.

they've always had it easy with regards to the refereeing...

face it...CONCACAF refs suck a$$ they are the worst in the world...

with mexico playing in the semis...a Mexican Referee should not have been anywhere near the game....it is what it is.....hes screwed canada before....hes done it again...

witht he U-20's the US apparently has its best team its ever sent....we punked them 4-1 a few days after they beat us 4-1....should be an amazing tournament...ONLY IF THE OFFICIATING is consistantly GOOD...not Consistantly bad (Concacaf!!!)

[hodgkiss]

they've always had it easy with regards to the refereeing...

face it...CONCACAF refs suck a$$ they are the worst in the world...

with mexico playing in the semis...a Mexican Referee should not have been anywhere near the game....it is what it is.....hes screwed canada before....hes done it again...

witht he U-20's the US apparently has its best team its ever sent....we punked them 4-1 a few days after they beat us 4-1....should be an amazing tournament...ONLY IF THE OFFICIATING is consistantly GOOD...not Consistantly bad (Concacaf!!!)



we punked them 4-0!!!

[robycapone]

i was wondering who the first to grab that would be...

none the less....the mexican Referee will not be at U-20 but at Copa American instead....

[Grimmace]

all i hear is how it was the mexican refs fault. How about the fact that it wasent him who put up the flag. The linesmen called the offside not the ref. but yet he is taking all the blame >:confused:

[Blizzard]

all i hear is how it was the mexican refs fault. How about the fact that it wasent him who put up the flag. The linesmen called the offside not the ref. but yet he is taking all the blame >:confused:

It's still the referees call in the end. He can ignore the flag if he so chooses. Yes, the assistant got it wrong.

I wonder if we ever will get a clarification of just what the officials thought they saw.

There is a report of Canadian players telling the media that the referee said the ball was headed forward by a Canadian. If that is true, he remains the goat. If not, the linesman does take the majority of the blame IMO.

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[Bruce S]

It's still the referees call in the end. He can ignore the flag if he so chooses. Yes, the assistant got it wrong.

I wonder if we ever will get a clarification of just what the officials thought they saw.

There is a report of Canadian players telling the media that the referee said the ball was headed forward by a Canadian. If that is true, he remains the goat. If not, the linesman does take the majority of the blame IMO.

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the ref has no angle at all- how could a ref really overrule the AR?

[Kevin McMillan]

the ref has no angle at all- how could a ref really overrule the AR?

They seem to do it fairly regularly, so there must be a way lol

If the referee was in a position to deem a play offside or not, I think they are free to rule as they see fit regardless of their assistants. In any case, once the American headed the ball wouldn't that have nullified it even had the player been offside in the first place? If he sees the defender play the ball as he did, the supposed offside is moot.

Ultimately, both the Ref and his assistant were both wrong on at least one count each

[Bruce S]

They seem to do it fairly regularly, so there must be a way lol

If the referee was in a position to deem a play offside or not, I think they are free to rule as they see fit regardless of their assistants. In any case, once the American headed the ball wouldn't that have nullified it even had the player been offside in the first place? If he sees the defender play the ball as he did, the supposed offside is moot.

Ultimately, both the Ref and his assistant were both wrong on at least one count each

most overrules are on the passive/active question. As for positioning on the offside line, the center ref has no idea at all.

[Blizzard]

most overrules are on the passive/active question. As for positioning on the offside line, the center ref has no idea at all.

That's my point! The ref couldn't call the line but he could call the contact.

I saw another view of the play during the TFC match and they highlighted the assistant. It was clear that he did not flag the Bernier pass but his flag did go up after the header from the defender. That being the case, I think in the rush of the moment, he thought the header was by a Canadian and that's when his flag did go up.

Sadly, the ref and the assistant never did consult. The ref would have definitely seen that the header was by a defender, not a Canadian.

In that case, the ref could have overruled the linesman but they would have had to consult which they did not do .... and I am going to assume that the ref did not consult because he had already blown the whistle and the play was dead prior to the ball going in.

Has soon as he blew that whistle, even if he realized the error, there was no going back.

If he'd held off on the whistle until after the completion of the play (which is totally his discretion as we've seen many goals disallowed after being scored when the ref belatedly has seen the assistants flag) things MIGHT have been different.

The error was the assistants. The ref reacted with his whistle based on his assistants flag and that was the end of that.

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