Riquelme to join squad

[cliffturn9]

wow thats pretty big...i thought he retired from international play...i think this can do nothing but help argentina because hes in such great form the other way i think it could hurt them is that it would possibly put messi out of the center attacking roll which i love to see messi play.
http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=332197

[Dr. Know]

It's not official but Roman has expressed interest in returning to the squad.

[DiVo0oNeH]

I think he's replacing Pinola right? i heard something like that so that means there are still 5 players remaining!

[bsas]

Great news! :)

[ilovefotball]

I always had the feeling that he will return. He needed a break and he got it. I am soo glad that he is back.

[argentine soccer fan]

This is going to be an awesome team. Now I am worried that we are going to be a huge favorite, like Brazil was at the World Cup. I hope it doesn't end up the same way.

[atlanta]

good to see such a great player make a return. With this squad, I don't see how they don't win the copa.

[efernandez9]

can Roman carry his level of play from club to national team?

I figure he will come from the bench in the first couple of games, if they are going easy or you guys think that he has enuf gas to be a 90 minutes player in the heat of venezuela?

[TKORL]

can Roman carry his level of play from club to national team?

I figure he will come from the bench in the first couple of games, if they are going easy or you guys think that he has enuf gas to be a 90 minutes player in the heat of venezuela?
I don't think he will.

Beating Gremio is one thing, beating the top national teams is another.

[BigSoccer Bot]

En una charla con Clarín, dijo que siente que jugar la Copa América no es una revancha.

More... (http://www.clarin.com/diario/2007/06/24/deportes/d-06815.htm)

[rios]

I don't think he will.

Beating Gremio is one thing, beating the top national teams is another.

Gremio sucks. Their rise in brazilian league was part fluke, part defensive football (4-4-1-1). They got promoted because Nautico had horrible luck and couldn't score with 2 PKs, ended up losing 0-1 to Gremio despite Gremio got 4 red cards...
Boca killing Gremio doesn't really say much on Riquelme's resume imo.

but what makes you say he won't be carrying the level of play for NT?
How many times had roman really tanked NT games?
and who else is better to steer the team? Aimar? Veron? Did they steer the NT to a win against England in 02 WC?

[TKORL]

What makes you say he will? Regarding failing for the national team, against Germany he was mediocre, there is no way around it. Considering the way that NT was built around his huge head, him being mediocre is equivalent to Argentina playing poorly.

Another failure was Confed Final against Brazil. SUre the whole team played poorly, but Riquelme that day looked like a constipated man who didn't want to run after the ball.



Against England Aimar was only on for half the game. Changing playmakers in the middle of the game rarely works. You also forget all the other players in the England game who played poorly, Aimar, if I remember correctly, did fairly well.

[rios]

Against germany, cambiasso for riquelme was a tactical substitution, not a performance one (http://albicelestesforever.blogspot.com/2007/06/further-explorations-of-22-4-2-3-1.html). Basile wanted to hold 1-0 lead by going to 4-5-1, which is 2 steps down from the 4-2-1-2-1 they were playing, not just one step, and requires V shaped midfield. Remember what happened after they got scored on because ppl were undisciplined? they wanted to regain lead but there was noone in the middle to pass up the ball, hense all those long shots that did nothing.

Confed Final was bad game for riquelme but not just because everyone sucked, roman wasn't 100% psychologically at all. That is pretty much the only NT game he really tanked since his youth career. But why play him when he's not in the right condition? it was a coaching mistake as much as roman's fault.

02' was complicated. but you can't argue that during the period aimar played, everyone else also worked their asses off.
It was just too late, england had settled down on their box defense it was nearly impossible to score. Can't say any other person would of done a better job than aimar but this is far from saying Aimar suits the enganche role better than Roman. If you really think that you are weird man.

[TKORL]

"If you really think that you are weird man." That's easy to say, but you of course provide no warrants.

When it has mattered in the major games, Roman has consistently failed to deliver for Argentina. If you think that he still deserves another chance, then you my friend, are "weird man".

Against Germany, with Roman on the field, other than the set piece, he completely failed to control the game and provide the necessary passes needed to penetrate Germany's defense. Frankly, the only thing he really did during that game was keep posession. As soon as he came off, we lost even that. That brings up another point. When Roman is on the team, the whole team has to be built around the way he plays, and he's to have a bad day, or if he's marked out of the game, we lose everything, and substituting him leaves the team utterly confused. For international tournaments, flexibility is paramount, the team has to adapt instantly to a new substitution and respond appropriately, which is thrown out the window when we build it around Roman.

As for Aimar, he has pace, distribution, solid dribbling ability that he can penetrate defenses with, he thinks quickly, plays quickly, has more top level experience, has a natural understanding with Messi, Tevez, and of course Milito (his teammates, which is semi-required), and most importantly, never stops fighting.

In any case, this is my last response on the topic.

[Dr. Know]

Who the hell cares if Roman is useful for beating smaller teams. When it has mattered in the major games, Roman has consistently failed to deliver for Argentina. If you think that he still deserves another chance, then you my friend, are "weird man".


Consistently? What are you on about? You gave two examples. In one of them Argentina gave up a goal only after he was taken off and in the other one the whole team played bad. Hardly consistently :rolleyes:.

[DiVo0oNeH]

"If you really think that you are weird man." That's easy to say, but you of course provide no warrants.

When it has mattered in the major games, Roman has consistently failed to deliver for Argentina. If you think that he still deserves another chance, then you my friend, are "weird man".

Against Germany, with Roman on the field, other than the set piece, he completely failed to control the game and provide the necessary passes needed to penetrate Germany's defense. Frankly, the only thing he really did during that game was keep posession. As soon as he came off, we lost even that. That brings up another point. When Roman is on the team, the whole team has to be built around the way he plays, and he's to have a bad day, or if he's marked out of the game, we lose everything, and substituting him leaves the team utterly confused. For international tournaments, flexibility is paramount, the team has to adapt instantly to a new substitution and respond appropriately, which is thrown out the window when we build it around Roman.

As for Aimar, he has pace, distribution, solid dribbling ability that he can penetrate defenses with, he thinks quickly, plays quickly, has more top level experience, has a natural understanding with Messi, Tevez, and of course Milito (his teammates, which is semi-required), and most importantly, never stops fighting.

In any case, this is my last response on the topic.


I Agree and quiting the NT is another case that shows the guy doesnt take a lot of pressure but anyways dont compare Veron a guy who in his prime was compared to players like Zidane and is actually considered in that category to Roman, Roman is a great player but now Veron's level in his prime :)

[ElMuneco]

Let's just hope he can keep the same form he has been in for Boca as of late, for this Copa America tournament. Although I hate to admit it, he was a monster for Boca during the Copa Libertadores. He pretty much put the club on his back and they rode their way to the chmapionship. I don't really have a problem with him ending his semi-retirement to play for the National Team again, although I think the way he did it was in a somewhat selfish manner, but I want to see the same drive he had during the Copa Libertadores for this Copa America.

[rios]

Consistently? What are you on about? You gave two examples. In one of them Argentina gave up a goal only after he was taken off and in the other one the whole team played bad. Hardly consistently :rolleyes:.

yep, roman haters usually are just narrow sighted people that can't get pass their 'passion' to watch the game without colored glasses.

[DiVo0oNeH]

yep, roman haters usually are just narrow sighted people that can't get pass their 'passion' to watch the game without colored glasses.


bro the guy wasnt saying anything bad about him he was just saying that others deserve a shot and that riqulme did give up on the team back in October which is true! and he has the right to be upset as an argy fan! we all do so there is no roman hater when it comes to NT cause its our NT and we luv any player who puts on that jersey except for the ones who give up

maybe Veron didnt do much in 2002 but he is well respected in my opinion for fighting to come back to the NT!!! and now i kind of do respect Roman for coming back but it would have been much better if he just didnt give up on us in the first place!!

other than that Roman is a great player!!! but we see him performing better with clubs than with NTs and thats proven but that doesnt mean he doesnt perform well at all no but he needs to shine in big games thats all to it

[rios]

bro the guy wasnt saying anything bad about him he was just saying that others deserve a shot and that riqulme did give up on the team back in October which is true! and he has the right to be upset as an argy fan! we all do so there is no roman hater when it comes to NT cause its our NT and we luv any player who puts on that jersey except for the ones who give up

maybe Veron didnt do much in 2002 but he is well respected in my opinion for fighting to come back to the NT!!! and now i kind of do respect Roman for coming back but it would have been much better if he just didnt give up on us in the first place!!

other than that Roman is a great player!!! but we see him performing better with clubs than with NTs and thats proven but that doesnt mean he doesnt perform well at all no but he needs to shine in big games thats all to it

I called him roman hater not for he criticized Riquelme, rather because he misinterperated (I thought maybe purposely) the examples to make Roman looked like he's a bad player.

Roman performed very well in the 97 U-20 WC, so it's not that he can't play well on NT. I also think his trend of below standard performances for NT has something to do with the players around him. In his club teams he got to play with those guys all the time. other players learned to read his plays better and that I think is an important factor why he always seemed to complete brilliant passes in club games. the recieving ends of the passes have to be there too. This obviously isn't limited to passing...

Veron is a good player but I think his best positions are on the sides, not at CAM. so he can sent in long lobes, which is like his specialty. We play so much more on the floor now, and veron is fundementally a passer...

He can play in the center but he doesn't dribble, so if he plays center enganche then it's better if someone else is there to support him and do some 1-2 with him or something.
From a generalized point of view, 442 is evolving into formations with 1 CAM because this is possibly a more advanced way of playing. It not only free up players to fullfill other functions, also gives the CAM unprecedented space to work with. Veron failed to make an impact when he went to inter to play CAM, but beat the crap out of everybody with a helper at the estudiante center...what I'm saying is, a good player doesn't necessarily mean he's good for the team.

Veron also has like zero experience with Roman, so I think whether he gets to start in a 442diamond will largely depend on how well he communicates with Riquelme.
Haven said that, he's almost the perfect choice for one of the side mid in 433. so if we play 433 I can see him start on one side even before riquelme.