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-Sx2-
15 Jun 2007, 09:54 AM
brainwash the kid with stories from 3000 years ago doesn't provide much...this video is rather scary. why are they crying for something that happened thousands years ago...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20rWMXLnS9U&mode=related&search=

Team Melli forever
15 Jun 2007, 10:07 AM
brainwash the kid with stories from 3000 years ago doesn't provide much...this video is rather scary. why are they crying for something that happened thousands years ago...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20rWMXLnS9U&mode=related&search=

It's just one kid, "Iran's future" has nothing to do with this isolated event.

-Sx2-
15 Jun 2007, 10:17 AM
you completely missed the point.

There are thousands of kid's being brain washed by their extremest parents. Those parents are also those who are controlling the corrupt gov. what they are doing right now is block off any type of influence that would interfere with their kid's process. these kids are the ones who will become ahmadinejads and khamenies.

superguydude
11 Aug 2007, 04:26 PM
Uh, most Iranians, especially those in diaspora, were taught by their parents how ************ this Islamic regime is.

Kamran
11 Aug 2007, 07:09 PM
you completely missed the point.

There are thousands of kid's being brain washed by their extremest parents. Those parents are also those who are controlling the corrupt gov. what they are doing right now is block off any type of influence that would interfere with their kid's process. these kids are the ones who will become ahmadinejads and khamenies.

actually those guys who run the gov usually have the most ********ed up kids who drink booze and pop pills all day because daddy provides them... hell the country's biggest corruption case was made against "Agha zadeha"... you guys should travel to Iran before making dumb comments... Iranian kids who are being brainwashed will end up in Basij force and not a high political rank... Khamanei and Ahmadinejad are both from "pre-revolution" era and they are a natural breed in ultra-orthodox opposition sect natural to every revolution... they weren't trained to become the supreme leader or president, events unfolded in a matter so they ended up there...

example of someone who is trained to be the next big thing in Iran is Ghalibaf, current mayor of Tehran... military background, education in US, steady elevation in political rank, popular support from ppl because of "actual" work... all smells like a propel plot for a transition to next political environment for Iran which will have nothing to do with these bunch of kids...

valanjak
11 Aug 2007, 08:13 PM
actually those guys who run the gov usually have the most ********ed up kids who drink booze and pop pills all day because daddy provides them... hell the country's biggest corruption case was made against "Agha zadeha"... you guys should travel to Iran before making dumb comments... Iranian kids who are being brainwashed will end up in Basij force and not a high political rank... Khamanei and Ahmadinejad are both from "pre-revolution" era and they are a natural breed in ultra-orthodox opposition sect natural to every revolution... they weren't trained to become the supreme leader or president, events unfolded in a matter so they ended up there...

example of someone who is trained to be the next big thing in Iran is Ghalibaf, current mayor of Tehran... military background, education in US, steady elevation in political rank, popular support from ppl because of "actual" work... all smells like a propel plot for a transition to next political environment for Iran which will have nothing to do with these bunch of kids...
Are you denying the fact that the IRI tries to brainwash our kids? I remember going to school in Iran and having to chant Death to America , Death to Israel everyday . There are cartoons in the state media that are designed to brainwash our kids . War stories of Shaheeds are designed to brainwash our kids . Having to pray in school is designed to brainwash our kids. There are many brainwashed people in Iran who will one day make it up the ranks simply because they are brainwashed just like most of the people inside Iran’s government . Your also brainwashed to an smaller extent but there are thousands in Iran who are really brainwashed .

!Bob
11 Aug 2007, 08:48 PM
Are you denying the fact that the IRI tries to brainwash our kids? I remember going to school in Iran and having to chant Death to America , Death to Israel everyday . There are cartoons in the state media that are designed to brainwash our kids . War stories of Shaheeds are designed to brainwash our kids . Having to pray in school is designed to brainwash our kids. There are many brainwashed people in Iran who will one day make it up the ranks simply because they are brainwashed just like most of the people inside Iran’s government . Your also brainwashed to an smaller extent but there are thousands in Iran who are really brainwashed .
I wanted to write a reply explaining why this thread is silly, but decided against it. But, I will respond to this post at least to say depends on your definition of brainwashing and how easily you think people are influenced. In the US, how often do you have to recite the pledge of allegiance or sing Star Spangled Banner? How many US flags do you see every day and so on. In the UK, the entire country wear poppy flowers for a week or so every year to show respect to those who lost their lives. Everything that happens around you affects you and influences you, but it all depends on how you want to judge it. You talk negatively about the concept of shahids being made so popular, but much of it is patriotic and in defence of Iran, as it is religious. Iran had shahids before the revolution too. And even before Islam, Iran had the concept of Persian Immortals. So was it brainwashing when the Immortals were treated as they were, and everyone wished they could join their ranks? Also, how many of those death to Americas really influenced you to wishing death to America?

Look how young the kid is. How likely is it that there will be 1001 other influences on his life in the future. Some of the most anti-religious people are those who were brought up in very religious surroundings and in contrast, some of the most religious people had a very liberal upbringing.

It is ignorant for someone to condemn the behaviour of others from a moral highground (at least in my opinion! - and I do see the irony of what I am saying) What gives you the right to judge those who want to cry for what happened in the past? Is it the time frame that makes the difference? So people can cry for what happened 50 years ago? (btw, it was closer to 1700 years ago). I always think it isn't just crying for something that happened in the past, but more of atonement; thinking of all the wrongs that had been committed and using that as a reminder to themselves. But perhaps that is just me!

Finally, do you realise how many people in Iran will ccongratulate the parents of the kid for having such a gifted child and so on? guydude, if you have ever been to Iran you would know that Iran is still on the whole a very religious country. While for many outside Iran and in places like north Tehran the "holyness" of clerics has lost meaning, in most other places, "haj agha" still attracts a great deal of respect. So much that anything negative about him in their minds cannot be true!

Stop worrying about the big picture, do your own thing and try to contribute in a positive way. I for one think Iran is on the right track, but the Iranian people in general have a horrible tendency to blame everyone and everything for all that is wrong instead of just doing their own thing.

I'm gonna leave that there and try to do my own thing!!

Txtriathlete
11 Aug 2007, 09:26 PM
Whats really amazing to me is how a grown man of 50 years or more (there are a few in the audience) can sit there and cry to a story told by a seven year old. Thats amazing, well maybe more so pathetic.

valanjak
11 Aug 2007, 09:59 PM
I wanted to write a reply explaining why this thread is silly, but decided against it. But, I will respond to this post at least to say depends on your definition of brainwashing and how easily you think people are influenced. In the US, how often do you have to recite the pledge of allegiance or sing Star Spangled Banner? How many US flags do you see every day and so on. In the UK, the entire country wear poppy flowers for a week or so every year to show respect to those who lost their lives. Everything that happens around you affects you and influences you, but it all depends on how you want to judge it. You talk negatively about the concept of shahids being made so popular, but much of it is patriotic and in defence of Iran, as it is religious. Iran had shahids before the revolution too. And even before Islam, Iran had the concept of Persian Immortals. So was it brainwashing when the Immortals were treated as they were, and everyone wished they could join their ranks? Also, how many of those death to Americas really influenced you to wishing death to America?

Look how young the kid is. How likely is it that there will be 1001 other influences on his life in the future. Some of the most anti-religious people are those who were brought up in very religious surroundings and in contrast, some of the most religious people had a very liberal upbringing.

It is ignorant for someone to condemn the behaviour of others from a moral highground (at least in my opinion! - and I do see the irony of what I am saying) What gives you the right to judge those who want to cry for what happened in the past? Is it the time frame that makes the difference? So people can cry for what happened 50 years ago? (btw, it was closer to 1700 years ago). I always think it isn't just crying for something that happened in the past, but more of atonement; thinking of all the wrongs that had been committed and using that as a reminder to themselves. But perhaps that is just me!

Finally, do you realise how many people in Iran will ccongratulate the parents of the kid for having such a gifted child and so on? guydude, if you have ever been to Iran you would know that Iran is still on the whole a very religious country. While for many outside Iran and in places like north Tehran the "holyness" of clerics has lost meaning, in most other places, "haj agha" still attracts a great deal of respect. So much that anything negative about him in their minds cannot be true!

Stop worrying about the big picture, do your own thing and try to contribute in a positive way. I for one think Iran is on the right track, but the Iranian people in general have a horrible tendency to blame everyone and everything for all that is wrong instead of just doing their own thing.

I'm gonna leave that there and try to do my own thing!!

I have respect for all those people who lost their lives during the war but when the government uses their death to sell their propaganda to the people there is no respect . I remember many times during my school days when our principle would tell us horrific war stories , why did he do that? Because he was a pathetic Hezbullahi who supported the government and was trying to brainwash us to be just like his kind of people . You comparing the pledge of allegiance to chanting Death to America, Israel, and England is not right . I like to remind you that kids have a choice to stand up and recite the pledge in the US and many choose not to stand up . And flags are not a form of brainwashing , it’s a form of national unity and identity .

Kamran
11 Aug 2007, 10:14 PM
Are you denying the fact that the IRI tries to brainwash our kids? I remember going to school in Iran and having to chant Death to America , Death to Israel everyday . There are cartoons in the state media that are designed to brainwash our kids . War stories of Shaheeds are designed to brainwash our kids . Having to pray in school is designed to brainwash our kids. There are many brainwashed people in Iran who will one day make it up the ranks simply because they are brainwashed just like most of the people inside Iran’s government . Your also brainwashed to an smaller extent but there are thousands in Iran who are really brainwashed .

don't be stupid val... I never commented on the "brainwashing" don't need to showcase your absolute crap reading comprehension in every post... all I said was that these kids will never be the future president or supreme leader... and brainwashing in Iran is merely "symbolic"...