The Official Karlsruher SC 07-09 Thread [R]

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Only Kapllani has been a decent goalscorer in the 2. Liga. Joshua Kennedy had 16 2. Bundesliga goals in 2 years, numbers that should never suggest a move to Nurnberg. Since then, 2 years (I'll be nice to him, his first season he was injured the whole year IIRC), 5 goals scored...

I understand that he's in there tactically as a natural target forward, but he's woeful at distributing the ball from what I've seen. Yet he starts just about every game (except against BvB).

I don't even think he's that good of a 2. Bundesliga striker. At least Kapllani and Freis are. I'd throw in Iashvili there, but he's used more as a midfielder. I think he's been their best player so far, along with Miller and da Silva.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Kennedy is crap. Totally crap. I have no clue what made K** decide to buy him.

[footyfan1]

Only Kapllani has been a decent goalscorer in the 2. Liga. Joshua Kennedy had 16 2. Bundesliga goals in 2 years, numbers that should never suggest a move to Nurnberg. Since then, 2 years (I'll be nice to him, his first season he was injured the whole year IIRC), 5 goals scored...

I'm no Joshua Kennedy fan and I was against FCN buying him, but I'll tell you why they did.

Because of the things so many here at BigSoccer love to gush on and on about.

POTENTIAL. FCN saw Joshua Kennedy's potential and thought Hans Meyer could get it out of him.

Meyer couldn't.

However, to be fair to Kennedy, you can't really discuss KSC and what they did last season without mentioning Kennedy's hot streak in four of his first five matches for them.

In those matches, Kennedy's goals or his one assist were directly responsible for securing EIGHT points in the Bundesliga standings.

Without those eight points, we're talking about how KSC barely avoided relegation or were relegated, not remembering how strong they were before fading at the end.



I understand that he's in there tactically as a natural target forward, but he's woeful at distributing the ball from what I've seen. Yet he starts just about every game (except against BvB).

Because they don't have much better. Dude, don't misinterpret my defense of KSC's strikers in the BVB match.

They are not very good strikers by any means, but they aren't the worst in the world either.

With some midfield service, they'd do better. Just ask Bayer Leverkusen fans.


I don't even think he's that good of a 2. Bundesliga striker.

I think you're being unfair. Remember, he played most of his 2. Liga time in freakin' Dresden.

He produced 16 goals and 4 assists in 60 appearances on one Dynamo Dresden team where he was the second option and the next s#itty Dynamo Dresden team that was relegated.

I think that's actually not f#cking bad at all myself.



At least Kapllani and Freis are.

I'd argue with you on that one. Not on Freis. I think Freis is better than both Kennedy and Kapllani.

But there is no f#cking way I'd sit there and say Kapllani is a better 2. Liga striker than Kennedy based on mere numbers.

That seems to be all you're looking at.

TOLH, sometimes numbers lie. You need to look deeper than simple numbers.

Here's a question to ask yourself.

Does Kapllani produce the same numbers if he's on a s#itty Dresden team instead of a top KSC team???

I say no f#cking way.

Does Kapllani or Freis produce the same numbers they did even on that KSC team, but without Giovanni Federico scoring goals from midfield and taking defensive attention away from them?

I don't think so. Not at all.

You should know better than this too.

I don't know how you can even think Kapllani would be a better 2nd Bundesliga striker than Kennedy when Kennedy even seems to be the better 1st Bundesliga striker.

After all, last season, Kennedy produced more for KSC in four matches than Kapllani did the entire f#cking season!

Both of them are stinking out the joint right now and I guess Becker feels Kennedy has more chance to break out of his funk than Kapllani does.

So before you go on about how Kapllani is better than Kennedy, I suggest you take a deeper look. You might be surprised at what you find.


I'd throw in Iashvili there, but he's used more as a midfielder. I think he's been their best player so far, along with Miller and da Silva.


If Alexander Iashvili is this team's best player, they are f#cking doomed. From what I've seen this season, this dude has had two decent matches and KSC lost them both.

As far as I've seen the only real thing he's done for this club this season was score that tying goal against Leverkusen.

I think what sucks for this team is that in my opinion, two of their top three players at the moment are freakin' defenders.

They are Maik Franz and Stefano Celozzi. I think Franz is the heart of this KSC team.

From what I've seen, Antonio da Silva has been a complete disappointment for them.

It also doesn't help him that their fans f#cking hate him.

Miller? He's been very uncertain this season. He's already cost them a few points this season with huge blunders.

I think management is already counting on getting Federico back from us and hoping he can raise the others' performances as he did for them in the 2nd Bundesliga.

I actually hope he can.

However, to the original point of this thing, again, I'm no Joshua Kennedy fan, but this type of criticism of him is totally unfair and part or it, such as suggesting Kapllani is the better striker, I think it totally unfounded.

No, Joshua Kennedy is not a top 1st Bundesliga striker. He might not even be a 2nd level Bundesliga striker.

The thing is, NO ONE on KSC's roster is except maybe Freis.

However, I do think the KSC strikers can do better with some midfield service and an actual offensive threat from midfield to take some defensive attention away from them.

That is what they had last season in Tamas Hajnal.

That is what they hoped Antonio da Silva would provide and he has not.

That is what someone like Alexander Iashvili should help with and totally fails to do.

And that is what KSC is hoping Federico will provide once again and I think he will.

[footyfan1]

Kennedy is crap. Totally crap. I have no clue what made K** decide to buy him.


Probably the same thing that made your management team sign sorry f#cking Yildray Basturk and pay him 3M per season on top of their original stupidity. :rolleyes:

You're really one to talk. KSC has gotten the same production out of Kennedy in four matches that you guys have gotten out of Basturk in 36 matches.

If I were you, I wouldn't talk shit about anyone else's failed signings.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Why?????

Are you actually saying that if someone supports a team that makes bad signings they then aren't allowed to comment on the transfer dealings of other, totally unrelated, sides?


Well, i'll keep that in mind :rolleyes:


Completely ludicrous. It's not as if I made the signings anyway! By that logic a fan of a side who's never won the Bundesliga is not allowed to talk about an unrelated side's falterings in their title hunt, a fan of a side who's not in the Champions League isn't allowed to talk about poor performances of German teams in the Champions League, a fan of a side who's once been relegated is not allowed to discuss the failings of another side in a relegation battle, a fan of a country not in the World Cup is not allowed to discuss underachievers in the world cup. And so and so on...

If you were being serious there, then following by that logic there would be very, VERY minimal discussion in these boards. :rolleyes:


Kennedy is a crap striker. There, I said it again. And the fact that VfB signed Yildiray Basturk 16 months ago has nothing to do with that topic and honestly, will do nothing to change my mind about Joshua Kennedy or stop me from discussing him.

[footyfan1]

Why?????

Are you actually saying that if someone supports a team that makes bad signings they then aren't allowed to comment on the transfer dealings of other, totally unrelated, sides?


Well, i'll keep that in mind :rolleyes:


Completely ludicrous. It's not as if I made the signings anyway! By that logic a fan of a side who's never won the Bundesliga is not allowed to talk about an unrelated side's falterings in their title hunt, a fan of a side who's not in the Champions League isn't allowed to talk about poor performances of German teams in the Champions League, a fan of a side who's once been relegated is not allowed to discuss the failings of another side in a relegation battle, a fan of a country not in the World Cup is not allowed to discuss underachievers in the world cup. And so and so on...

If you were being serious there, then following by that logic there would be very, VERY minimal discussion in these boards. :rolleyes:


Kennedy is a crap striker. There, I said it again. And the fact that VfB signed Yildiray Basturk 16 months ago has nothing to do with that topic and honestly, will do nothing to change my mind about Joshua Kennedy or stop me from discussing him.



Shit, it's not like I disagree about Kennedy.

However, you said you don't know what made KSC buy him and I suggested a possible reason.

A case of the f#cking dumbass.

However, on your other complaints, all I'll say is those who live in glass houses........

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

I just thought it was odd that you wrote as if me and VfB were the same entity when in reality VfB is a football club and I am someone who happens to support it - I of course play no part in its decisions OR the transfers it makes, yet you replied to my first post as if it was ME who had driven up to Berlin and personally brought Basturk back down with me.

Of course in reality I, obviously, had nothing to do with that or any other VfB transfers so I found it strange when you attacked me saying that because my club had made some bad deals I shouldn't be commenting on KSC's purchase of Joshua Kennedy.

I guess I took your words in a harsher sense than they were meant.

I mean come on, it isn't as if I run around and bring up Nelson Valdez's name everytime you rightly comment on Basturk's failures, do I? ;) Because you and the decisions made by your club (that you can't do anything about) are totally unrelated. And there's no diffference between a situation like that and this one...

[panicfc]

didn't Karlsruhe buy Kennedy for emergency as their strikers were either injured or not doing the job?

[footyfan1]

I mean come on, it isn't as if I run around and bring up Nelson Valdez's name everytime you rightly comment on Basturk's failures, do I? ;)


If you did, I would just say you were right to do so.


Because you and the decisions made by your club (that you can't do anything about) are totally unrelated. And there's no diffference between a situation like that and this one...

No, there isn't. But when have you ever seen me go on your thread and say, "Yildray Basturk is shit, I don't know why you guys ever bought him!"

I warned you guys about what would happen with Basturk before you signed him, but I haven't come on your thread and made a statement like that.

I have, however, taken every opportunity to point out that I said so beforehand when it has been relevant.

Your statement was relevant, but it doesn't mean it was called for.

Again, I actually agree with you that Kennedy is crap and I tried to make you see why KSC bought him. LOL!!

Don't let my case to TOLH that I think he was wrong to say Kapllani is better than Kennedy make you think that I believe Kennedy is some "good striker".

Like I said, I agree that he's crap. But he's not crappier than Kapllani........ ;)

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Marco Engelhardt and Giovanni Federico will be coming to KSC according to transfermarkt.

[panicfc]

reinforcements have arrived (http://www.bundesliga.de/en/index.php)

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Kalrsruhe with a crucial loss today at home to Bielefeld.

They are now looking very poor at the bottom of the table.

[Doc_Aeppler]

Well if you score only 18 goals in 24 games and lose your crucial homegames against other bottom teams you will have no chance to avoid relegation... :(

[smkrn]

Hi guys,

I'm new to the forum, and was hoping to get some advice. I'm visiting Germany from the States in May, and really would like to catch a Karlsruher game when I'm in the area. What's the best way to get tickets? Is there a reliable and reputable source?

Sorry if this question has been answered somewhere else. Thanks for any help!

[Doc_Aeppler]

Well KSC will have homegames against Costbus on the weekend 2/3rd of May, againt Hannover on Tuesday or Wednesday night May 12th or 13th and against Hertha on Saturday, May 23rd.

link (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/vereinstermine/object/6/saison/2008-09/liga/1/naviindex/2)

You should easily be able to get tickets at the gate for all three of them unless KSC suddenly starts a pullback within the next games and has a chance to avoid relegation on the last matchday. Then the Herthagame will probably sell out very quickly...
But the way it looks right now they might well be done 3 or 4 games before the final matchday, so getting tix shouldnt be a problem... ;)

[The Old Lady Hertha]

plus the Hertha match is the "friendship game." A lot could still hang on that game, although, to be honest, I really doubt it (yes I'm talking about us getting the Meisterschaft).

[Doc_Aeppler]

plus the Hertha match is the "friendship game." A lot could still hang on that game, although, to be honest, I really doubt it (yes I'm talking about us getting the Meisterschaft).

True. In that case the Stadium would probably be sold out quickly too... with Hertha Fans...
But since Bayern will be Meister on the 32nd matchday, I wouldnt worry about it... :P

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Hey mang let a man dream ;) loool
I didn't put in my sig just for laughs you know! :D

[Doc_Aeppler]

Hey mang let a man dream ;) loool
I didn't put in my sig just for laughs you know! :D

I know I would be dreaming... ;)

[footyfan1]

I know I would be dreaming... ;)


I think we all would be. Just like KSC fans were dreaming of the UEFA Cup last season. :D

I wonder if they can find a way save themselves......