#3 in CONCACAF?

[Jay510]

This Gold Cup has seen some decent action around the region, and less so from teams like Mexico and Costa Rica. Personally, i never thought T&T was a true #4 team in CONCACAF, but CR was the no doubt #3 for a long time....that seems to be changing. Whos up next for 2010 as #3? Canada, Guatemala, Honduras?

Personally i think its Canada. They have young talent, a good coach and its already paying dividends. If they keep this up i think they can definately qualify with a weak region around.

Guatemala or Honduras....i think Honduras steps in as a decent choice too....Guatemala is much to defensive, and lacks any offensive flair except for Ruiz, who cant do it alone. Honduras is scratching the surface of some solid young players who may get the #3 or #4 in 2009 with a shot at the cup.

CR looks lost without Wanchope and co. I wonder how they will respond next year in qualifying

Thoughts?

[IncaEnclave]

Having Toronto FC is a big boost to the Canadian national team. A lot more Canadians will have the opportunity to face American and Central American counterparts on the club level by playing in MLS.

[Trin]

This Gold Cup has seen some decent action around the region, and less so from teams like Mexico and Costa Rica. Personally, i never thought T&T was a true #4 team in CONCACAF, but CR was the no doubt #3 for a long time....that seems to be changing. Whos up next for 2010 as #3? Canada, Guatemala, Honduras?

Personally i think its Canada. They have young talent, a good coach and its already paying dividends. If they keep this up i think they can definately qualify with a weak region around.

Guatemala or Honduras....i think Honduras steps in as a decent choice too....Guatemala is much to defensive, and lacks any offensive flair except for Ruiz, who cant do it alone. Honduras is scratching the surface of some solid young players who may get the #3 or #4 in 2009 with a shot at the cup.

CR looks lost without Wanchope and co. I wonder how they will respond next year in qualifying

Thoughts?

I'll wait for the qualifiers to prove you doubters wrong again :)

[tomwilhelm]

I'll wait for the qualifiers to prove you doubters wrong again :)

Well given T&Ts non-performance in the GC and their complete disarray off the field, it looks like waiting is your only option at the moment.

I will however reserve judgment until after the GC. The knockout rounds should separate the wheat from the chaff in a now congested 2nd tier...

[Trin]

Well given T&Ts non-performance in the GC and their complete disarray off the field, it looks like waiting is your only option at the moment.

I will however reserve judgment until after the GC. The knockout rounds should separate the wheat from the chaff in a now congested 2nd tier...

ouch.. ever heard of not kicking a man when hes down tom

[MoRado]

This Gold Cup has seen some decent action around the region, and less so from teams like Mexico and Costa Rica. Personally, i never thought T&T was a true #4 team in CONCACAF, but CR was the no doubt #3 for a long time....that seems to be changing. Whos up next for 2010 as #3? Canada, Guatemala, Honduras?

Personally i think its Canada. They have young talent, a good coach and its already paying dividends. If they keep this up i think they can definately qualify with a weak region around.

Guatemala or Honduras....i think Honduras steps in as a decent choice too....Guatemala is much to defensive, and lacks any offensive flair except for Ruiz, who cant do it alone. Honduras is scratching the surface of some solid young players who may get the #3 or #4 in 2009 with a shot at the cup.

CR looks lost without Wanchope and co. I wonder how they will respond next year in qualifying

Thoughts?

hey buddy, Costa Rica is still alive, and so is mexico, wait a few days for this... everything could change when the knock out round begings

[Titan 7]

hey buddy, Costa Rica is still alive, and so is mexico, wait a few days for this... everything could change when the knock out round begings

The problem is not Wanchope out, we have 3 important midfielders injured (Alonso Solis, Bryan Ruiz, Carlos Hernandez) and 1 left the Gold Cup because his brother died (Cristian Bolaños). We're not a superpower nor anyone in Concacaf, so loosing 4 guys in the middle is a big issue.

Check out our record in youth world cups, clubs, and national teams, and it speaks for itself. If we are not going to #3 (oh wait, we we were #1 Concacaf in the 2001 WCQ), it has to be proved during the upcoming years.

You can't also discharge Mexico who's own league is years light ahead of everyone else in this region. The problem with the is that Hugo Sanchez was the worst coach they could get.

[pura_vida362]

The problem is not Wanchope out, we have 3 important midfielders injured (Alonso Solis, Bryan Ruiz, Carlos Hernandez) and 1 left the Gold Cup because his brother died (Cristian Bolaños). We're not a superpower nor anyone in Concacaf, so loosing 4 guys in the middle is a big issue.

Check out our record in youth world cups, clubs, and national teams, and it speaks for itself. If we are not going to #3 (oh wait, we we were #1 Concacaf in the 2001 WCQ), it has to be proved during the upcoming years.

You can't also discharge Mexico who's own league is years light ahead of everyone else in this region. The problem with the is that Hugo Sanchez was the worst coach they could get.

Exactly. All it takes is 1 bad tournament like this for people to jump out and say "Costa Rica isn't #3 anymore" and "Mexico is losing it". Let's see what happens during the qualifiers which is a more accurate measuring stick as to who is where in Concacaf compared to 1 tournament.

[Titan 7]

Exactly. All it takes is 1 bad tournament like this for people to jump out and say "Costa Rica isn't #3 anymore" and "Mexico is losing it". Let's see what happens during the qualifiers which is a more accurate measuring stick as to who is where in Concacaf compared to 1 tournament.

Yeah, what would happen if the US suddenly has a bad Gold Cup, then they would not be #2 or #1?

[Jay510]

Yeah, what would happen if the US suddenly has a bad Gold Cup, then they would not be #2 or #1?

Well I think we know that Costa Rica will be there when the Hex goes to action in 2009...playing in Costa Rica is so difficult, i cant imagine them not being there....but thinking objectively....T&T has some decent young talent, but with their senior players always walking off, who knows what T&T will show come the qualifiers...Honduras and Canada have impressed me (save for Canada performance against Guadeloupe), and I think Costa Rica has a good shot at falling down in the Hex to 4 or 5.

[Pønch]

Using the Gold Cup group stage as an argument to say who will do better than who in World Cup Qualifiers is crazy. Using that logic, Mexico shouldn't be expected to finish in the top 2 anymore since they struggled with Cuba and lost to Honduras.
I agree Costa Rica has looked horrible in all three games. But still, it's all just results from a short tournament. WCQ is a long and grueling process, and depth and consistency are more important than fluke good/bad results.

[Azuran]

Well I think we know that Costa Rica will be there when the Hex goes to action in 2009...playing in Costa Rica is so difficult, i cant imagine them not being there.

Playing in Costa Rica is so easy for Honduras. We haven't lost there since the 1960s.

[Popol Vuh]

Anyone know when is the draw for WCQ?

[MoRado]

Playing in Costa Rica is so easy for Honduras. We haven't lost there since the 1960s.

the funny thing is that we always eliminate honduras somehow :D

[olephill2]

I think that Costa Rica is in transition mode, somewhat. A lot of the old guard (Centeno, Wanchope, Gomez, et cetera) are starting to move on past their prime (though Centeno has been stellar in this tournament). Conversely, I think a lot of Canada's core players are in their prime, when you look at De Rosario, Julian DeGuzman, Atiba Hutchinson, Patrice Bernier and with Paul Stalteri playing at a high level. All Canada really needs to do is find a consistent forward up front, shore up their depth in defense, and find a viable replacement at goalkeeper for Pat Onstad (Greg Sutton doesn't cut it IMO).

So, I think Canada is an up and coming team in this confederation, and I see them challenging the balance of power as Costa Rica struggles with their transition period for the next 2 or so years. Costa Rica will get it together probably by the hex stage, but I think it will be a struggle for them until then.

Panama is also a team that has been up and coming since the 2005 Gold Cup, and Honduras has always been one of the most talented teams in Central America.

If I had to take a stab at how the hex might turn out (based on player pools and performances in the Gold Cup), here'd by my guess:

1) USA
2) Mexico
3) Canada
4) Costa Rica
5) Panama
6) Honduras

7) Trinidad & Tobago
8) Guatemala
9) Jamaica

[Titan 7]

Nothing better than time to show the real truth!

[Guatefc]

The problem is not Wanchope out, we have 3 important midfielders injured (Alonso Solis, Bryan Ruiz, Carlos Hernandez) and 1 left the Gold Cup because his brother died (Cristian Bolaños). We're not a superpower nor anyone in Concacaf, so loosing 4 guys in the middle is a big issue.

Check out our record in youth world cups, clubs, and national teams, and it speaks for itself. If we are not going to #3 (oh wait, we we were #1 Concacaf in the 2001 WCQ), it has to be proved during the upcoming years.

You can't also discharge Mexico who's own league is years light ahead of everyone else in this region. The problem with the is that Hugo Sanchez was the worst coach they could get.

Jonathan Bolaños died? the one that plays for Rochester Rhinos? or another brother..

[pura_vida362]

Jonathan Bolaños died? the one that plays for Rochester Rhinos? or another brother..

Nope. A different Bolaños. Are they related anyway? I'm a Bolaños too. No idea if we're at all related though.

[Titan 7]

Jonathan Bolaños died? the one that plays for Rochester Rhinos? or another brother..

No, it was Jose Pablo Bolaños, 25 years old.

[Goofy]

Methinks #3 is an ever-choking and typically underachieving Honduras.
A good team, with an unstable mentality. Beats Mexico, loses to Panama.