Awesome Chinese Animation: J-10 vs F-16

[ForzaGrifo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg4us7OM-_0

[Sagy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg4us7OM-_0

What about this animation do you find credible?

Here is another exmaple of what can be done with animation :)
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[Dirt McGirt]

The comments on youtube are hilarious.

[Scarecrow]

Not really sure how this fits into this forum.

[Mountainia]

The idea behind this animation is that China and (presumably) the U.S. could go to war. That idea is scary to me, and would be self-defeating for both sides.

But throughout history, people who are born and raised in times without terrible conflict continually underestimate the horror of war, and over-glorify its waging.

The dependency between the U.S. and China grows every year. I hope that more people do not feel the same way as this cartoonist does. Neither side would come our ahead from such a conflict.

[Scarecrow]

The idea behind this animation is that China and (presumably) the U.S. could go to war. That idea is scary to me, and would be self-defeating for both sides.

But throughout history, people who are born and raised in times without terrible conflict continually underestimate the horror of war, and over-glorify its waging.

The dependency between the U.S. and China grows every year. I hope that more people do not feel the same way as this cartoonist does. Neither side would come our ahead from such a conflict.

The cartoonist hasn't heard that the F-16 isn't the primary fighter for the US, nor has he ever heard of proximity fused warheads either.

[Mountainia]

The cartoonist hasn't heard that the F-16 isn't the primary fighter for the US, nor has he ever heard of proximity fused warheads either.

Neither have I.

The important part, as I see it, is not that he's presenting some kind of realistic comparisons of military capabilities. I'm sure he's not, even if he thinks he is.

It's that he considers it a good thing to build a strong state vs. state military capability.

But technology has rendered this path futile. It is too destructive. I do not believe that any positive outcome can result from this kind of conflict in the future.

[Shaster]

The idea behind this animation is that China and (presumably) the U.S. could go to war. That idea is scary to me, and would be self-defeating for both sides.

But throughout history, people who are born and raised in times without terrible conflict continually underestimate the horror of war, and over-glorify its waging.

The dependency between the U.S. and China grows every year. I hope that more people do not feel the same way as this cartoonist does. Neither side would come our ahead from such a conflict.

The danger period is already passed. The real scary moment was during 2001 when Rumsfield kept sending guys to Taiwan every week to encourage Taiwan for independance and promising US military support. Powell had to send guys EVERY week right after Pentagon guys to "correct" the message. 911 changed this.

Still some people in Cheney's office and in Pentagon believe that a war vs. China is inevitable. So fighting as early as possible is a better timing for USA. Taiwan still remain a flash point that can explore anytime. Only way China can stop it is a threat of escalting to nuclear war to stop US involvement. In case of US calling the bluff, it is very possible some tactic nukes may drop in Taiwan or even Japan to AVOID a nuclear shoot out with US.

Of course, fighting via proxy is a more practical method. You see that CIA and Pentagon backed "fake" group attacking Chinese interests in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and you also see Chinese weapons via Iran ending up in Taliban and Iraq insurgence.

[daisrael]

The danger period is already passed. The real scary moment was during 2001 when Rumsfield kept sending guys to Taiwan every week to encourage Taiwan for independance and promising US military support. Powell had to send guys EVERY week right after Pentagon guys to "correct" the message. 911 changed this.

Still some people in Cheney's office and in Pentagon believe that a war vs. China is inevitable. So fighting as early as possible is a better timing for USA. Taiwan still remain a flash point that can explore anytime. Only way China can stop it is a threat of escalting to nuclear war to stop US involvement. In case of US calling the bluff, it is very possible some tactic nukes may drop in Taiwan or even Japan to AVOID a nuclear shoot out with US.

Of course, fighting via proxy is a more practical method. You see that CIA and Pentagon backed "fake" group attacking Chinese interests in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and you also see Chinese weapons via Iran ending up in Taliban and Iraq insurgence.

I think we had something similar to that already, they called it the cold war with the USSR.
Are you suggesting the same thing now with the US and CHina?

[Shaster]

I think we had something similar to that already, they called it the cold war with the USSR.
Are you suggesting the same thing now with the US and CHina?

Ya. It is a New Asian NATO that supposed to have US, Japan, Australia and India in there. India maybe not the most enthusastic one due to what China can do to her. But it is different from USSR Cold War that all three countries of US, Japan and Australia cannot cut the economic ties with China. So this military stance only serve the purpose to piss off Chinese.

As long as Taiwan stays the status quo, and US doesn't venture into Pakistan, Khazakistan, North Korea, Mayanmar, and other Indo-China countries like Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand or Lao, then I don't see too much real proxy wars going on.

[Quaresma]

The Chinese don't have dicks big enough to get in a pissing contest with America.

And the J-10 would probably be up against the F-22/F-18

Not the F-16.

Also you have to also compare equipment.

Its not necceserly the warplane, its the ordnance its carrying, although I'm pretty sure F-14s arnt adapted to carry phoenix/AIMRM(spelling?) missiles..correct me if im wrong though, I'm hardly an expert.

American missiles have far longer ranges then anyone elses, and with AWAC support can remain undetected when heading to targets.

Yah, good luck with that.

[CrewDust]

The Chinese don't have dicks big enough to get in a pissing contest with America.

And the J-10 would probably be up against the F-22/F-18

Not the F-16.

Also you have to also compare equipment.

Its not necceserly the warplane, its the ordnance its carrying, although I'm pretty sure F-14s arnt adapted to carry phoenix/AIMRM(spelling?) missiles..correct me if im wrong though, I'm hardly an expert.

American missiles have far longer ranges then anyone elses, and with AWAC support can remain undetected when heading to targets.

Yah, good luck with that.


The F-14 was built around the Phoenix weapon system for fleet defense. The Phoenix was designed before the F-14.

I think the other missle you are talking about is the AMRAM. It went into service in 1987. IIRC, it replace the Sparrow radar guided Air to Air missle of the Vietnam period.

[ViscaBarca]

The Chinese don't have dicks big enough to get in a pissing contest with America.

American missiles have far longer ranges then anyone elses, and with AWAC support can remain undetected when heading to targets.

Yah, good luck with that.

all irrelevant. the chinese will simply take out your satellites, without them all your technology is pretty worthless. and they've already demonstrated that they can do that.

[kcscsupporter]

like has been said before, the f-16 is no longer the primary air superiority fighter. it has been largely replaced by the f-22. unfortunately for the j-10, that entire pack would be neutralized by a couple raptors. in previous dogfighting exercises conducted by the united states, they've pitted one f-22 against 7 f-15s. the f-15s were wiped out before they even got a shot off. take note that the f-15 has never been shot down by an enemy fighter... never... and 7 of them were taken out by one raptor.