100% Werder Bremen (summer '07 thread) [R]

[The Old Lady Hertha]

It looks like Carlos Alberto is coming for 7.5 mio euros.

I don't know anything about this player, but the fact that his rights are owned by MSI and that ******** Kia Joorabchian makes me wonder....:mad:

[4x4s]

It looks like Carlos Alberto is coming for 7.5 mio euros.

I don't know anything about this player, but the fact that his rights are owned by MSI and that ******** Kia Joorabchian makes me wonder....:mad:

Come on, I'm sure you watched him play for Porto in the Champions League.Looked like a kid, couldn't stay on his feet, wearing those silly breathing enhancement band-aids on his nose.Performed quite well though.


http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2647/40202303alberto203x152gwe1.jpg

Wanted to join Chelsea, Mourinho couldn't get him a work permit in London, so he disappeared back to Brazil(!?).

[Brandon313]

Anyone have any news on Werders new kits? i know they tend to take longer than everyone else....but im anxcious!



So Diego scored for Brazil but the goal was dissallowed...BS too, Robinho was in an offsides position, but Diego was not...Robinho was not involved in the play at all, so it didnt matter. It should have been a goal for Diego

[ForeverRed]

From what I've heard of him, he hat big attitude problems in Portugal and Brazil. He actually got into trouble with a lot of the fans and manager at Corinthians and stated that he'd never play for the manager again so he was loaned out.

I hope you guys are able to straighten him out.

[sting-ray]

Anyone have any news on Werders new kits? i know they tend to take longer than everyone else....but im anxcious!



When training starts on monday 2. july

[squidward123]

When training starts on monday 2. july

already? we need proper off-seasons like in american sports

[squidward123]

I think the general consensus is that Bayern have slightly better players, while Bremen have the better team.

slightly better players = players that get the media attention as they're in munich not bremen.

We should wait who Bremen are going to sign but right now that comaprison of the individual players is pretty one-sided. Aside from Diego I don't see any player who's better than their Bavarian counterpart.

But in the end the better team always wins, not the the club who has the best eleven individuals.

slightly better players = players that get the media attention as they're in munich not bremen.

The way to look at it is to say that bremen have players who play better for the team, which is the goal isn't it? Nevermind about better individuals or not.

[Hendrik]

slightly better players = players that get the media attention as they're in munich not bremen.

The way to look at it is to say that bremen have players who play better for the team, which is the goal isn't it? Nevermind about better individuals or not.
Uh...okay. Klose and Frings got more media attention last year than all of Bayern's players combined. Usually Bayern players get the media attention because...well they finish ahead of Bremen 9 out of 10 times.
They play better for the team? Based on what?

[BayernWake]

Uh...okay. Klose and Frings got more media attention last year than all of Bayern's players combined.

Not to mention Diego and Naldo.

[squidward123]

Uh...okay. Klose and Frings got more media attention last year than all of Bayern's players combined. Usually Bayern players get the media attention because...well they finish ahead of Bremen 9 out of 10 times.
They play better for the team? Based on what?

I mean the type of media attention that will make metzelder one of the world's greatest defenders next season (when he won't be playing any better than he did in his best games for dortmund).

Not the type of media attention that klose and frings got this past season.
(Incidentally, klose and frings get that attention in germany more because of their NT links and less because of bremen)

"They play better for the team" - what I meant by that is that we can't quantify how good a player is individually without knowing the inner workings of the team "sanctum" and who is really capable of what and who has to sacrifice for the team. So the only way for us on the outside to rate footballers is by how well they play for the team = a winning team.

So when I say bremen has the better midfield, it means the midfield plays better.

It's hard to rate players better than the other (unless you're on the inside), as football is a team game.

I can't buy the "bayern has better individuals" or "kickers offenbach has better individuals" unless I know the team from the inside.

To us people on the outside, the impression of "better individual players" is as a result of the type of media attention metzelder will get next season even when he's playing no better than he did in his best dortmund games. It's a media creation.

Or even hildebrand over weidenfeller or wiese next season

Playing for a big, fashionable and rich club distinguishes the players in the eyes of the media, and through that, in the eyes of the fan, and makes him look like a "better individual (player)"

I mean according to media, "big clubs" do well cos they have better individual players. "Small clubs" do badly because they have worse individual players, who can't get themselves to play as a team.

How do we know the big club hasn't got worse individuals, but play better as a team?

While the little club has better individuals, that CAN'T play as a team?

It's all what the media likes to create isn't it.

In football, being a team game, you can't rate individuals. Unless you know the inner workings of the team from the dressing room and you know who is really capable of what.

They interviewed clarence seedorf recently on ESPN soccernet press pass, and he said that without a team you achieve nothing, and he declined to name kaka as the best player in the world. He said you'd better have awards for each role in the team then, instead of the fifa awards that reward the attacking player only. Without ambrosini, kaka would be nothing he said.

[BayernWake]

In football, being a team game, you can't rate individuals.

Sure I can. Luca Toni is a talented forward without question.

It's hard to rate players better than the other (unless you're on the inside), as football is a team game.

Luca Toni is better than Landon Donovan. There, see?

[squidward123]

Sure I can. Luca Toni is great, and much better than Landon Donovan. There, see?

That's because one has played much better for his team than the other. It's not exactly close.

Consider this though...Would luca toni force his teammates to change their game for him? Some others might be forced to sacrifice what they can do to accomodate toni, because toni is an acknowledged star.

While landon donovan could fit into bayern and someone else might be allowed to blossom.

It's a team game. It's hard to quantify individuals.

With either player, bayern might actually get the same result.

[squidward123]

Remember when jordan sacrificed his game to fit the team.

So was he better post 1990 or in the 80s?

I'd say post 1990 in the true sense, as being a team game, the team was better.





I'd say that it's too hard to quantify which player is better than the other in a team game, and we should just observe the team instead and say "wow great team", instead of saying this guy is better than that guy.

Unless we're in the dressing rooms and training fields and we can see what player can actually do what...we can't say much.

Players have to sacrifice their skills to fit the team because 11 players can't do the same thing at once.

11 players have to do slightly different things at once for the resultant to add up to a whole for the team.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Luca Toni is better than Landon Donovan. There, see?

Quality :D

[BayernWake]

squidward, I do understand your point, I was just giving you a hard time :D

[squidward123]

squidward, I do understand your point, I was just giving you a hard time :D

ok, so in conclusion the problem is that bayern's team has just been crap :D

[Wappy]

It might interest you that Klose has scored his first Bayern goal with a header in his debut in Hong Kong. Bayern won that match against Sao Paulo 2-1.

It is a miracle that Klose has finally scored with his head and the header was a quality one too. He was pretty good in that match, more specifically the 2nd half, much to the pleasure of the local crowd. Highly motivated, good teamwork and attacking intentions. (Don't get too angry about that, I still support him for what he has done for Bremen).

Also, Altintop was in pretty good shape (scored 1 goal) and I think Hitzfeld will be very pleased with those two. They seem to integrate to the team more far more easier than what I've expected.

[LebenslangGruenWeiss]

Every once in a while I open this thread because I think it's interesting and also a great distraction from work to read some comments about Werder Bremen. But lately I've only been reading comments about Bayern. If you want to post something about Bayern you can actually do that: In the Bayern threads.
This is the Werder thread!

[LebenslangGruenWeiss]

As the last Bundesliga team Werder starts with preseason training tomorrow. Also check out werder.de tomorrow for the new kits.

[Brandon313]

ahhhhhh cant wait man!!