Future All Time Greats

[Slash/ED]

Originally posted by Ekelund4life
Niehter Owen or JFH should be considered all-time greats, IMHO.
Owen, for one, is too young, and if he gets better, he could become one.
Hasselbank(sp) on he other hand, while he has scored boatloads of goals in the EPL, is hasn't exactly put Chelsea at the top of the table, nor does it mean he could score this many in Spain/Italy. I believe, just because he scres doesn't mean he should be considered a great.

I also argree with the fact he doesn't fit into the Dutch's style. The EPL is much different than the 3-4-3 possesion style that Holland seems to use.

Sean's .02

We'll ignore Hasselbainks golden boot in his one year in Spain then.....And i was with a team who got relegated, so imagine the service.

[gibby_03]

Spot on, ED! Hasselbaink has earned respect around the world, not just in the Premiership. ED, think we need a seperate "JFH Appriciation Thread"? Just a thought. And as far as the Dutch national team goes, whether he fits in their style or not, the talent pool for Dutch strikers is quite deep, is it not? Getting caps w/ a national team is hard and can be frustrating stuff in any country, let alone one like Holland where they have so much talent at their disposal.

[wu-tang beez]

Bow down b4 JFH

If this thread is about great players that are currently active, why hasn't anyone mentioned the greatness of Batigol, Valderama,Rivaldo, or Schmickel(sp?)? They are in downslides but their accomplishments may never be duplicated.

Give me Raul, Kuivert, VanNeistelroy, or Figo (despite his lackluster showing this wc due 2 injury) over Owen any day of the wk & twice on sundays. They're all better creaters from the target position. In 20-30yrs, once the hype has passed (ala Shearer & Super Kev) how favorable will he be compared to those that come after him? He is a great player, but his name shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Ronaldo, the best player in a generation.

Personally, I think Kevin Cambell, due to his age and fitness, will rewrite the books 4 England.

[Spartak]

Originally posted by wu-tang beez
Personally, I think Kevin Cambell, due to his age and fitness, will rewrite the books 4 England.
Your post was somewhat sensible until your last line.

[wu-tang beez]

Originally posted by Spartak

Your post was somewhat sensible until your last line.

Next to Lucio for brazil, aside from that horrid give away that hung his keeper out to dry, I can't think of a better young defender in the world. He's not fancy but he handcuffs who's ever around the box.

[Spartak]

Originally posted by wu-tang beez


Next to Lucio for brazil, aside from that horrid give away that hung his keeper out to dry, I can't think of a better young defender in the world. He's not fancy but he handcuffs who's ever around the box.
Do you mean Rio Ferdinand? And if so what records will he rewrite for England? He's a defender, most tackles?

[AFCA]

Well, he's not really from this generation anymore, but I still pick Frank Rijkaard.

A player who has definitely won it all, except the World Cup for national teams. At the Ajax ground there's a big grafitti covering the entire south stand. Three players are shown there... Cruyff, Van Basten and Frank Rijkaard. Says enough.

From this generation... maybe Ronaldo. But I always have the feeling he dissapoints a bit. Scoring a goal is one thing. Winning a match is another thing. Hard to explain, but I don't feel Ronaldo is a real match-winner. Romario was a hell of a lot better (at least in his PSV days) IMHO.
Zidane is a great player, and I don't think there are any questions about his status.
Van Nistelrooy will certainly get bigger. I don't watch EPL that much anymore so I haven't followed him that much... but if you guys could have seen some of the goals he scored for PSV you would know why he belongs here.

Future heroes currently at my club:

1. Rafael vd Vaart. Still young (20), but plays football like a veteran. Should Ajax get anywhere in Europe this season.... remember this name
2. Andy vd Meyde. Same story as nr 1.
3. Chivu. Also very young but probably one of the best defenders in Europe already.

The problem is that once the rich clubs develop an interest they're gone. So if we wanna win the CL this has to be the year!

[AFCA]

Whoops! I forgot Jari Litmanen!!! Great personality, fantastic footballer. Can lead a team, can score (beautiful) goals, is dangerous anywhere near the penalty box, also because of his passing skills and insight.

Won the CL and Worldcup with Ajax.

My personal favourite of all times (so far).

[AFCA]

pot, alcohol, etc kill your memory.

Edgar Davids. What a man, what a man!

[wu-tang beez]

Originally posted by Spartak

Do you mean Rio Ferdinand? And if so what records will he rewrite for England? He's a defender, most tackles?

I didn't mean records literally, although I think they tally pts against a defender while he's on the field. ala +/- system used by the NHL. No, I meant Sol. B4 the fickle fans forgot about him, he was touted, and rightfully so as his club & Nat performances have proven, as a savior.
It's no coincidence his backline surrender few goals. I'm not saying rio is overrated, but I can't recall wathcing a game that he dominated the opposition. Plus, he should get more balls his way, since Sol's guys are on lock down for 90min.

[usain2010]

The run down on possible candidates from this generation of players:

I think the player('s) of the world cup becomes an all time great- the run down from as much as i can remember

1970- Pele
1974- Cryuff
1978- no clue here
1982- Zico
1986- Maradona
1990- no one seized the oppurtunity in my opinion!
1994- Romario/Baggio
1998- Zidane
2002-Ronaldo
2006-???

and for the Germans- Muller and Beckenbauer!

[usain2010]

pre 1970s

puskas
charlton, moore
garrincha
as far as i know

Guys who never played in a world cup but are that amazing...

Best
Giggs
Shevchenko

[Ombak]

I understand where you're coming from but this is awfully bad timing for this kind of comment:

Originally posted by AFCA
From this generation... maybe Ronaldo. But I always have the feeling he dissapoints a bit. Scoring a goal is one thing. Winning a match is another thing. Hard to explain, but I don't feel Ronaldo is a real match-winner.

What were the last two games he payed in again? Oh yeah. The World Cup Semi-final and Final.

Pretty significant contribution in both wasn't it?

And while he hasn't won much in Europe, he has one of the most amazing goal/game ratios in every league he's played in.

He may have dissapointed in the sense that he didn't win La Liga or Serie A yet despite being on 2 super-teams. But he's not to blame, he delivers the goods. Heck if it weren't for his contribution near the end of the season Inter might not even have been in the running for the title they pathetically lost.

The notion that he's not a future all-time great is nonsense.

[Spartak]

Originally posted by usain2010
Guys who never played in a world cup but are that amazing...

Best
Giggs
Shevchenko
Alfredo Di Stefano

[usain2010]

all time over hyped people top ten

1. beckham
2. beckham
3. beckham
4. beckham
5. beckham
6. beckham
7. beckham
8. beckham
9. beckham
10. beckham

[idi amin]

S Gerrard
m Owen
Pablo Aimar
Vicente
M Carrick

[usain2010]

yeh my bad i forgot di stefano!!! dang it!!!

[usain2010]

dont forget BATIGOL as well

[idi amin]

i do belive di staefano played in world cup, he has been capped by 3 different countries. Argentina, Italy, Spain -- another argie mercenary-but a good player.

[idi amin]

di stefano even played in pirate colombian league w/millionaros back in day