Hier regiert der HSV thread 07/08 [R]

[Hendrik]

Sell him if someone offers 20M and play Trochowski in the center.

:eek:

Dude, they want a top 5 finish this season. If they sell van der Vaart they will splash the cash. Either on a direct direct replacement (probably from Holland) or on two, three players that will drastically improve the whole squad.

[Wastl]

20 million is not worth it right now, Ajax gets 20% from that, and you can't find a replacement right now.

If teams think they can wait till 2009, they can do that, but they shouldn't think that van der Vaart would only be sold to them. He doesn't really care which big team he is going to, so if another team comes up and pays the amount Hamburg wants, the teams which is waiting for 2009 is screwed.

Hamburg has no reason to sell him right now. Especially at a price that isn't anywhere close to the Snejders and Hargreaves of this world.

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

If teams think they can wait till 2009, they can do that, but they shouldn't think that van der Vaart would only be sold to them. He doesn't really care which big team he is going to, so if another team comes up and pays the amount Hamburg wants, the teams which is waiting for 2009 is screwed.


Yeah, 1.5 Million EUR (the amout in the contract) transfer fee in 2009 is a joke.
So teams who want him can decide, what they want to do:
Make a very high bid to HSV next summer (around 20 Million EUR, because they know of the clause)
or wait till 2009, pay the 1.5 Million EUR, but have to make the highest salary/bonus offer
to the player.
(3rd option: VdV extends, but that´s not very likely if teams from the big 3 bid for him (especially Spanish teams))


Hamburg has no reason to sell him right now. Especially at a price that isn't anywhere close to the Snejders and Hargreaves of this world.

That´s right. Selling him would be the worst thing you can do now.
I also think you sell him next summer and stregthen
the team with the money (which won´t be less) you ´ll get.

[Alois12]

Feilhaber is now at Derby County. He changed for a transfer fee of €1.5 million. A bit much, but worth the money. :D

http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/spieler/33118/bennyfeilhaber/transferdaten.html

[Hendrik]

We can now finally put an end to the van der Vaart speculations.

Hamburg's sporting director Beiersdorfer: "We've received an offer from Valencia but rejected it and I personally told them Rafael is not for sale. He's part of our plans. I won't name the offer but that doesn't matter. We've made it clear he's staying."

Van der Vaart's reaction: "Hamburg has decided not to sell me. I'm happy about this sign of confidence and am looking forward to reaching our season's aims."

[footyfan1]

Van der Vaart's reaction: "Hamburg has decided not to sell me. I'm happy about this sign of confidence and am looking forward to reaching our season's aims."

Read: "OK, it's over and I can concentrate on my last season here at HSV. I look forward to the bidding war starting in January......." ;)

[Wastl]

Actually, I don't think that he has made a comment so far.

The quoted sentence is what a member of the HSV-supporters board wants him to say.

[Hendrik]

Actually, I don't think that he has made a comment so far.

The quoted sentence is what a member of the HSV-supporters board wants him to say.
Oops, you're right. Message boards can be confusing at times. ;)

[footyfan1]

Oops, you're right. Message boards can be confusing at times. ;)

I still stand by my last comment! LOL!! :D

[fresh aah]

Yeah, "let me go immediatly, Valencia would be a dream come true." sounds a bit different to me, lol. '"Ich will unbedingt weg, Valencia ist ein Traum'' "Wenn ich in Hamburg bleiben müsste, dann hätte ich Schmerzen'', sagte van der Vaart' (having to stay at Hamburg would bring me pain). http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2007/08/13/781962.html Mind you: he's the captain of the squad, and having to stay would bring him pain ??? Sounds way too theatrical (?) in my ears. Sell him. So he'll finally be back in his mother's arms.:D :/

[footyfan1]

Yeah, "let me go immediatly, Valencia would be a dream come true." sounds a bit different to me, lol. '"Ich will unbedingt weg, Valencia ist ein Traum'' "Wenn ich in Hamburg bleiben müsste, dann hätte ich Schmerzen'', sagte van der Vaart' (having to stay at Hamburg would bring me pain). http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2007/08/13/781962.html Mind you: he's the captain of the squad, and having to stay would bring him pain ??? Sounds way too theatrical (?) in my ears. Sell him. So he'll finally be back in his mother's arms.:D :/


I saw that on DSF text earlier, but didn't know whether to believe it or not. Plus, Thomas Helmer, Thomas Strunz and Youri Mulder just discussed it on DSF.

If HSV sells, they'd better make Valencia come up with more money.

I don't know how I'd take it if my team captain said, "I want to leave and if you make me stay, I will be hurt....."

But, I think I as a BVB fan will have that problem with Alexander Frei after this season......

[Duncan Idaho]

well, I never was and never will be a fan of vdV, but if Hamburg sells now they better start burying their season targets as well. Selling him now would also be bad salesman practice, cause it is best to sell a player when there are more than just one club interested like in this case. A special case would be a desperate Valencia, but considering their offer they are fully aware of their good position and they obviously try to lowball the situation. HSV has no other option as to keep him for this season and to hope for an outstanding and injury free season that will make the bidders come again next year, but it must be clear next year they simple have to sell and therefore it will be a gamble no matter what option the HSV is going to take

[footyfan1]

well, I never was and never will be a fan of vdV,

I remember that from the Bayern boards! LOL!! :D


but if Hamburg sells now they better start burying their season targets as well. Selling him now would also be bad salesman practice, cause it is best to sell a player when there are more than just one club interested like in this case. A special case would be a desperate Valencia, but considering their offer they are fully aware of their good position and they obviously try to lowball the situation.

I think HSV knows that.......


HSV has no other option as to keep him for this season and to hope for an outstanding and injury free season that will make the bidders come again next year, but it must be clear next year they simple have to sell and therefore it will be a gamble no matter what option the HSV is going to take

I don't think they'll get an "outstanding and injury free season" out of him. First of all, when has he ever had an injury-free season?

Second, let me show you the difference between a player who wanted his club to talk to others and a guy who wants to leave.

When Roma came for Dortmund's Dede, Dede said, "I deserve this chance. I can make three times more money in Rome and play in the Champions' League. I think after all I have done for the club I deserve this chance. However, if it does not work out, that is OK too because I love Borussia Dortmund and its fans."

In contrast, you have vdV saying, "Valencia is a dream. I want to go. However, if I have to stay at HSV, I will stay but I will be hurt."

Which one do you think will still give his all for his club?

You think that vdV is going to give his all after saying that? I think he'll be worried about not getting seriously injured so he can cash in after the season.

No, I don't think HSV should take Valencia's current offer. I think they should sit vdV down and say, "Look, you are a major key to our goals here, but if you want to leave, here's the deal. Your compatriot Sneijder just went to Real Madrid for 27 million Euros. We think you are worth more than him and maybe Valencia doesn't have 30 million, but they need to at least come up with 25M for you. We will talk to them, but if they cannot meet that price, we just can't let you go right now."

I don't see Valencia going that high and it would be a nice way to appease the player.

[Duncan Idaho]

I don't think they'll get an "outstanding and injury free season" out of him. First of all, when has he ever had an injury-free season?

and that's why it is a gamble :p




In contrast, you have vdV saying, "Valencia is a dream. I want to go. However, if I have to stay at HSV, I will stay but I will be hurt."

Which one do you think will still give his all for his club?


I only got told that he has said that, unless I see it by myself on paper or on tv I don't believe it, because if he really said that than he is one of the biggest i***** in football. He knows that he will be sold next season, but he probably now gets last minute panic since Barca is loaded and doesn't need him, Madrid is now loaded with Sneijder and Valencia may look out for some one else so no one big from Spain might be interested in him next season. Plus Bayern won't be interested in him and Chelsea, Liverpool, ManU and probably Arsenal won't be interested next year. Nonetheless my impression of him being an i**** gets more and more confirmed



You think that vdV is going to give his all after saying that? I think he'll be worried about not getting seriously injured so he can cash in after the season.

Probably not, but it will be his own image he is ruining by doing so. I mean any other club will see that and any club will know that this player won't be fully loyal when a bigger club comes for him he'll immediately wants out



I don't see Valencia going that high and it would be a nice way to appease the player.

well, I see your point, but if he has said this in exactly this way, then I don't see any other option than playing hardball on him, cause if this boy has some brain - what I'm seriously doubting right now - he will know that 18 days in the transfer window won't be enough to increase Valencias 14€ Mio bid to 25 or maybe 28€ and then I doubt you can appease him this way especially not when my suspicion of a last minute panic is not far off the mark

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

"I want to leave and if you make me stay, I will be hurt....."

Whe i hear such words i get remembered to another player,
who acted like an a$$hole to his team last year and betrayed the club.

Well, ok, at least Van der Vaart didn´t meet with Valencia in Hannover. :rolleyes:

[footyfan1]

I only got told that he has said that, unless I see it by myself on paper or on tv I don't believe it, because if he really said that than he is one of the biggest i***** in football. He knows that he will be sold next season, but he probably now gets last minute panic since Barca is loaded and doesn't need him, Madrid is now loaded with Sneijder and Valencia may look out for some one else so no one big from Spain might be interested in him next season. Plus Bayern won't be interested in him and Chelsea, Liverpool, ManU and probably Arsenal won't be interested next year. Nonetheless my impression of him being an i**** gets more and more confirmed

I see a lot of venom in that mail that screams "personal hatred" to me.

Look man, here's "kicker" picking up on the report. (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/137294/) They are not in the habit of picking up on bullshit.

And if I were the player, I'd rather be in Valencia than Hamburg myself.

Doesn't make him any bigger of an asshole than Miro Klose. Hell, it makes him less of one. He doesn't seem to be forcing the sale. Not yet anyhow.




Probably not, but it will be his own image he is ruining by doing so. I mean any other club will see that and any club will know that this player won't be fully loyal when a bigger club comes for him he'll immediately wants out

Oh really? I'm sorry dude. Just because he can't wait to get the hell out of Hamburg doesn't mean he'd do the same to Valencia, Inter or Juve.

This is why I didn't get mad when Tomas Rosicky wanted out of Dortmund for three years straight. There are places players would rather be than the Bundesliga whether we want to admit that or not.

Hell, even you guys faced that with Ballack going to Chelsea. (BTW, wasn't it funny that he was in the Allianz Arena on Saturday?)




well, I see your point, but if he has said this in exactly this way, then I don't see any other option than playing hardball on him, cause if this boy has some brain - what I'm seriously doubting right now - he will know that 18 days in the transfer window won't be enough to increase Valencias 14€ Mio bid to 25 or maybe 28€ and then I doubt you can appease him this way especially not when my suspicion of a last minute panic is not far off the mark


Dude, what are you talking about? If two clubs wants to truly get a deal done, they can get it done in 18 freakin' minutes. Funny how Real tried to lowball Ajax, left the bargaining table, lost the first leg of the Spanish SuperCup, returned to the table and had the Sneijder deal done less than five hours later. 18 days is a freakin eternity to get a deal done.

And I think anyone who thinks HSV won't lose money on vdV after this season isn't thinking about everything.

I think if you believe the big clubs won't lowball HSV after this season when they know HSV HAS to sell the player, I think you're not looking at the big picture.

[Duncan Idaho]

Look man, here's "kicker" picking up on the report. (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/137294/) They are not in the habit of picking up on bullshit.

I know that, but I want to see the f****** interview by myself, which is in the edition tomorrow of this local newspaper in Hamburg. Press sometimes is cooking up things and in the end nothing was on it. The Schweinsteiger betting scandal story is already ringing my ears and this story got broadcasted everywhere within minutes



Doesn't make him any bigger of an asshole than Miro Klose. Hell, it makes him less of one. He doesn't seem to be forcing the sale. Not yet anyhow.

Yeah, the Klose asshole and all the rest Bremen are saints story. Don't worry our Bremen buddy told us already exclusively. But back to vdV, if he said that he is already forcing his sale



Oh really? I'm sorry dude. Just because he can't wait to get the hell out of Hamburg doesn't mean he'd do the same to Valencia, Inter or Juve.

I didn't claim that, because someone is doing something once doesn't mean necessarily he is doing it twice, but you never can be sure off and that's the point that matters



This is why I didn't get mad when Tomas Rosicky wanted out of Dortmund for three years straight. There are places players would rather be than the Bundesliga whether we want to admit that or not.

This may be the case and I'm npt angry at someone if he thinks that way, but I would get angry if someone can't understand the club's situation.



Hell, even you guys faced that with Ballack going to Chelsea. (BTW, wasn't it funny that he was in the Allianz Arena on Saturday?)

completely different story with Ballack, this case was more about wounded pride. Anyway this is a different dicussion. But of course it was funny, he obviously wants back into our new dream team. But the Kaiser hopefully said no :p



Dude, what are you talking about? If two clubs wants to truly get a deal done, they can get it done in 18 freakin' minutes. Funny how Real tried to lowball Ajax, left the bargaining table, lost the first leg of the Spanish SuperCup, returned to the table and had the Sneijder deal done less than five hours later. 18 days is a freakin eternity to get a deal done.

It may be an eternity for some clubs, but for HSV? They need to negotiate the price up, they need to find a replacement in an empty market, negotiate with this replacement and its club with a largely visible money bag, and then 18 days are a freaking short time! It's not only about sitting at a table with Valencia and talk, it's about much more other meeting and talking behind closed HSV doors about possibilites, options, candidates, etc pp. This takes time unless you know for 100% what you are doing and how you are doing it, but this won't be the case due to the overall market situation

I know you will say Trchowski and will say: Good luck and better pray to god!


And I think anyone who thinks HSV won't lose money on vdV after this season isn't thinking about everything.

I think if you believe the big clubs won't lowball HSV after this season when they know HSV HAS to sell the player, I think you're not looking at the big picture.

Oh, I'm aware of that, but if he plays a exceptional season without serious injuries then there might be more bidders and even when these are lowballing HSV will still make a better price then now. That's why I clealry said, it will be a gamble regardless of what HSV is doing in the end

[Duncan Idaho]

footy, here is the interview

http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2007/08/14/782070.html

Now, it is clear that this guy is trying to force his way out


ABENDBLATT: Haben Sie das dem Sportchef in Ihrem Gespräch auch so gesagt?

VAN DER VAART: Ja.

ABENDBLATT: War es ein freundliches Gespräch?

VAN DER VAART: Mmmh, nee . . . Sagen wir es so: Der Didi war sehr deutlich - ich war es auch.

ABENDBLATT: Klingt nach Ärger.

VAN DER VAART: Ja, ich bin sauer, ganz klar.

[Alois12]

First of all, any club that starts bidding for vdVshould have started much before the start of the Bundesliga.
Secondly, vdV is worth 6 million euros more than the offer Valencia have given.
HSV have all reason to reject that, even if it means that they'll sell him 1.5 years later for 1.5million.

[footyfan1]

footy, here is the interview

http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2007/08/14/782070.html

Now, it is clear that this guy is trying to force his way out


It was clear to me before. I know people who work in this business and as I told you last night, "Kicker" isn't in the habit of picking up on bullshit. :rolleyes: