Hier regiert der HSV thread 07/08 [R]

[Borussia]

Never mind about the result, but that goal vdV scored against Wolfsburg is material for "Tor des Monats"!


CLICK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XZJQq1ZI7s)

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Its nice to see that even though van der Vaart looks likely to leave that he still is performing at a top level.

[Dead Fingers]

That was a lovely goal.

[panicfc]

That's going to go down well in either Valencia or in Torino.

[Projekt4]

That's going to go down well in either Valencia or in Torino.

Valencia seems history and Juventus is not really keen. I'm not even sure that he'll leave at all if everything goes really well for Hamburg. Let his amazing goal shots not distract you from the fact (IMO) that he may not be good enough overall to be the undisputed #1 attacking midfielder at a European Top 10 club, which is what he's eyeing.

[Awareness]

Valencia seems history and Juventus is not really keen. I'm not even sure that he'll leave at all if everything goes really well for Hamburg. Let his amazing goal shots not distract you from the fact (IMO) that he may not be good enough overall to be the undisputed #1 attacking midfielder at a European Top 10 club, which is what he's eyeing.

rofl. good joke!

[Wastl]

Hamburg really needs another goalscorer, the offensive output is pathetic. You can't always count on van der Vaart doing the job. Olic has been very successful so far, but when he has a bad day, nobody gets it done.

They were in front of an empty net five times against Wolfsburg, only once did they get the ball into the net, and that was from offside-position.


As for Sorin, no chance that he is playing anytime soon. He has made some progress and is training with the ball right now, but it's still some way to go before he can return to team-practise, much less playing games again.

[Projekt4]

rofl. good joke!

Care to expand? No top team seriously seems to have bid so far, and he definitely isn't expensive this summer. The Juventus coach has made it clear that when thinking of a playmaker he thinks of something else.

In my eyes, if Hamburg would be able to invest the income of just two more CL seasons into the squad, vdV would fit in perfectly as captain of that team.

[Awareness]

Care to expand? No top team seriously seems to have bid so far, and he definitely isn't expensive this summer. The Juventus coach has made it clear that when thinking of a playmaker he thinks of something else.

In my eyes, if Hamburg would be able to invest the income of just two more CL seasons into the squad, vdV would fit in perfectly as captain of that team.

Just because there are no bids yet doesn't mean vdv isn't fit to guide a topteam as the number 1. We all know his weaknesses and positives. In this regard he has grown immensely and went from strength to strength to establish himself not only as one of the best cams in europe, but also shown versatility by adapting his play to suit a role as winger, shadow striker and even striker. He's not a natural leader, but is a made Captain and that would mean that he will have less difficulty in adapting to a new team and assures a good chance of playing a pivotal role, given in a quality side. This side has yet to arrise and I'm sure that top clubs are monitoring or appraising the situation with or without silence. VDV may not be given the nod as a contingency by every topclub, most top clubs are already provided with a quality attacking force.

The sad fact is that there are no guarentees that hamburgs ambition will be concrete or sufficient enough for VDV to stay and challenge in the Champions League. It's clear that he's by far the best in the team and one of the best in the Bundesliga. He took the step from Ajax to hamburg, excelled and logically it's time to make another step forward. If a club can't guarentee that (especially now Huub will certain leave) it's a one-two to look somewhere else to forfill his true potential . (I don't think he peaked yet)

[Projekt4]

The sad fact is that there are no guarentees that hamburgs ambition will be concrete or sufficient enough for VDV to stay and challenge in the Champions League. It's clear that he's by far the best in the team and one of the best in the Bundesliga. He took the step from Ajax to hamburg, excelled and logically it's time to make another step forward. If a club can't guarentee that (especially now Huub will certain leave) it's a one-two to look somewhere else to forfill his true potential . (I don't think he peaked yet)

I agree he deserves to play Champions League, and if Hamburg can't provide that with some regularity than it's very understandable that he leaves. But I'm not really seeing him at a team that can realistically win the Champions League, there is stiff competition for his ideal position, there are plenty of established people at the big clubs, and any move outside or backwards would take away from his greatest asset, that wicked shot.

If Hamburg gets into the CL this year, he should stay for a year and see where things are heading for Hamburg. Structurally, the future looks bright enough.

[Awareness]

I agree he deserves to play Champions League, and if Hamburg can't provide that with some regularity than it's very understandable that he leaves. But I'm not really seeing him at a team that can realistically win the Champions League, there is stiff competition for his ideal position, there are plenty of established people at the big clubs, and any move outside or backwards would take away from his greatest asset, that wicked shot.

If Hamburg gets into the CL this year, he should stay for a year and see where things are heading for Hamburg. Structurally, the future looks bright enough.

Competition is indeed stiff, but maybe you're slightly underrating vdv. Champions League requires a lot more in experience and maturity. For a player of his age it's remarkable that he already played 51 games for Holland, scoring 12 times. Being a bit injury prone might halt clubs from being concrete and that's what hurts his chances the most. I'm also wondering what his best position ultimately is. For Holland he played on the wings and was very dangerous. For Hamburg he sometimes plays as a striker and does his job like any decent striker. The true power of vdv is his vision and execution and that's why he'll still be of good value on other positions in top teams. Versatile players are hard to find of this standard.

To make a comparison. I think vdv is better than any attacking midfielder Chelsea can muster.

[footyfan1]

I agree he deserves to play Champions League, and if Hamburg can't provide that with some regularity than it's very understandable that he leaves. But I'm not really seeing him at a team that can realistically win the Champions League, there is stiff competition for his ideal position, there are plenty of established people at the big clubs, and any move outside or backwards would take away from his greatest asset, that wicked shot.

If Hamburg gets into the CL this year, he should stay for a year and see where things are heading for Hamburg. Structurally, the future looks bright enough.


He doesn't care about that. HSV was always just a stepping-stone to a bigger club for him. He's looking to join a club in Europe's elite. Turns out, he is exactly what Valencia is missing, but since they are in danger of finishing outside of European places for the first time in ages, I think he's going to Juventus.

I think the deal will also be beneficial to HSV. HSV showed earlier this season that they can win without vdV.

Are they better off without him? Immediately, no. However, he truly wants to go, and because of that, I think yeah, HSV will be. They just have to believe that and prepare for life without him.

I believe he's playing as hard and as well as he is because he's advertising himself for "a better gig."

Guys, it is a freakin' dangerous thing to become so dependent on one player. I know. We had it in Dortmund with Tomas Rosicky and management is still trying to figure out what the hell to do.

In your case, you'll get so much money for this guy that you'll be able to afford an adequate replacement.

Besides, HSV needs to sell him after this season. After next season, his buyout clause kicks in and he can leave for 1.5M Euros.

Guys, start getting over vdV. Unless his wife steps in, vdV is history in Hamburg after this season. That's just reality as it stands at the moment.....

[Projekt4]

I was more trying to adopt his perspective rather than think what's good for the club. I'm sure there can be a decent, though not equivalent replacement. And with another decent striker, we don't need a midfielder to score all the goals. Arguably the bigger problem is the departure of Huub Stevens.

[footyfan1]

I was more trying to adopt his perspective rather than think what's good for the club. I'm sure there can be a decent, though not equivalent replacement. And with another decent striker, we don't need a midfielder to score all the goals. Arguably the bigger problem is the departure of Huub Stevens.


You won't get any argument from me. I think Stevens leaving will be the bigger problem.

[Alois12]

A thing I might fear about vdV, will be that if he and his manager block all transfers just to move in 2009 to his club of choice for peanuts.
I think that's why HSV have Anton Putsilo in reserve.

[THOMA GOL]

Peruvian Guerrero scores one early. Hamburgers 1-Hot Dogs-0

[footyfan1]

A thing I might fear about vdV, will be that if he and his manager block all transfers just to move in 2009 to his club of choice for peanuts.


I don't think you have to worry about that. What they may do is limit how much HSV gets for him in this upcoming transfer market to get him to club of his choice.

What I mean is a scenario like this. Say Juventus makes the CL and vdV decides he wants to go there, but HSV gets a much larger offer from Manchester United. vdV may refuse to go to England because he wants to go to Juventus.

Something like that, I could see happening, but not him staying another year at HSV.

There are too many big CL clubs who need a guy like vdV right away. They won't want to wait and he's waited long enough.

[Alois12]

BTW Sorin is back in training, after a very long time.

Hope he puts in few good performances towards the end of the season

[Wastl]

He might actually play against Leverkusen tomorrow, or at least sit on the bench.

Hamburg already had a bunch of around 20 year olds on the bench against Nürnberg, and now the situation has gotten worse.

Kompany and de Jong are suspended against Leverkusen. Benjamin is away because his father died in an accident, Boateng and Demel are both injured and might not make it in time.

That leaves the team with one player for the two outside positions on defense (Brecko). Odjidja-Ofoe could also play there, but he would be the next in line for the second spot in the "double-six". If Ofoe plays D, Otto Addo would have to take the place in the double-six.

Or the team could go with Atouba or Sorin, who both aren't ready to come back yet.

My guess is that at least one of Demel and Atouba will play.

[MarocFAN]

Is HSV really interested in Boussoufa?
Wäre cool wenn der in der Bundeliga spielt:)