100% Werder Bremen thread (part IV) [R]

[Beachiboy86]

it sood 1:0 after 4 minutes and we totally controlled the game untill the red.

And a game is a game, no matter if we come through he ruined the game! it's also bad for UEFA 5 years ranking and also bad for the international accepting for Bremen. Everyone thinks now that espanyol clubs totally rule german clubs... ok, the last sentence is not true, but you know what I mean

[Doc_Aeppler]

I cant believe all that whining about Klose.
People (including me) keep whining about how there are way to many divers and cheaters in the Bundesliga and how refs dont do anything about it and how much better that is in England...
Well, but then you also have to accept it when one of your own players gets booked for a dive. And if he is already booked than him diving is even more stupid and useless. Dont blame the Ref, blame the player!
That is the only way to get rid of this bullshit!


And yes, if lets say Thurk made a clear dive on saturday in our important game agaisnt Aachen and got a red card for it, I would definitely be mad at HIM and not at the ref!

[Brandon313]

Dead_fingers, nono no we were well on our way to another WeserWunder. We had scored 4 minutes into the game, and we were more than controlling the pace and possession until the red... Klose got a shakey yellow, and then was dumb enough to try and dive to pick up a free kick. Red card, now our players have to try and get AT LEAST 2 goald with 10 men. They played heroically, and were very close on many occaisions. But then Reinke made a bad error and HANDED them the tying goal which put us back down by four, and gave them an away goal so tying was not an option. It was over, and our players knew it. That is why we gave up a second goal, nobody even went up to challenge the corner, the life was our of our team.


We had a wonder start, which turned into a disaster

[footyfan1]

I did not see the game, but personally, the ref talk takes away from the fact that Bremen were 3 goals down before the game started and had an almost impossible task of reversing that.

To say the ref "ruined" their chances is absurd.

Danke.

[footyfan1]

Dead_fingers, nono no we were well on our way to another WeserWunder. We had scored 4 minutes into the game, and we were more than controlling the pace and possession until the red... Klose got a shakey yellow, and then was dumb enough to try and dive to pick up a free kick. Red card, now our players have to try and get AT LEAST 2 goald with 10 men. They played heroically, and were very close on many occaisions. But then Reinke made a bad error and HANDED them the tying goal which put us back down by four, and gave them an away goal so tying was not an option. It was over, and our players knew it. That is why we gave up a second goal, nobody even went up to challenge the corner, the life was our of our team.


We had a wonder start, which turned into a disaster


Dude, just because you score one goal in the first four minutes, doesn't mean you were "on your way to another 'WeserWunder'." You guys scored early and there was another 16 minutes between that goal and the time Klose got sent off. Had you scored another one in that period, I would be inclined to agree.

You can't sit there and tell me that you guys were going to win that thing had Klose not been sent off. One goal in 20 minutes doesn't mean you're going to get two more.

Again, it's time to face facts. You guys didn't lose this tie last night, you guys lost that tie in Barcelona. Had your players played as hard and as well as they did last night in Barcelona, you guys wouldn't have been in that f#cking predicament to begin with......

[LebenslangGruenWeiss]

The referee was "bad" from YOUR point of view. I'm not saying he was "excellent" as some whiner accused last night, but from what I saw, he was well within his rights on both bookings of Miro Klose.

You can't sit here and complain that if he calls that others have to call the same thing.

That's not how it works and you know it. Referees make these calls within the laws of the game and using THEIR DISCRETION.

Could he have warned Klose on the elbow or the dive? Of course he could have. But he was well within his rights to book Klose for both and he did.

Talking about others who might not get booked by other referees for the same thing doesn't change that fact.

I know it's hard when your team takes a loss when you are so close to a major trophy. I know. But this referee, while not "excellent" or "great", was well within the rules and his rights on each call against Miro Klose.

And face it. While we all held out hope for Werder, they truly lost this tie in Barcelona.

No referee decided that match......

Almeida was fouled yellowcard-worthy at least 3 times and the ref didn't call it once and one time an Espanyol player (I think Zabaleta who already had a yellow at that point) hit him with his elbow much worse compared to the situation where Klose got his first yellow (and Klose didn't hit him!).

It was within one game in which one referee judged absolutely similar situations completely different.

Some more examples: Espanyol was wasting time from the first minute. did he give a yellow card for time wasting? Zabaleta got a yellow card for something he didn't do. Almeida got a yellow card for complaining about being fouled a lot. Did you notice how often the spaniards were whining about decisions and complained to the ref? no yellow card there.

I never said that Werder deserved to go through or that it's only the refs fault that Werder didn't go through. But it would have been a different match with a half decent referee.

[Psychosis hsv]

who was the referee

[Frankfurt Blue]

Almeida was fouled yellowcard-worthy at least 3 times and the ref didn't call it once and one time an Espanyol player (I think Zabaleta who already had a yellow at that point) hit him with his elbow much worse compared to the situation where Klose got his first yellow (and Klose didn't hit him!).

It was within one game in which one referee judged absolutely similar situations completely different.

Some more examples: Espanyol was wasting time from the first minute. did he give a yellow card for time wasting? Zabaleta got a yellow card for something he didn't do. Almeida got a yellow card for complaining about being fouled a lot. Did you notice how often the spaniards were whining about decisions and complained to the ref? no yellow card there.

I never said that Werder deserved to go through or that it's only the refs fault that Werder didn't go through. But it would have been a different match with a half decent referee.

Would have been a decent game if Werder had managed to keep 11 men on the pitch. The fans and the team can thank Klose for this result. He cost them the game. 1-0 up and then he throws himself on the ground, trying at least to get a free kick, perhaps even a booking for his opponent. It was blatant cheating and needs stomping out from the game.
Don't blame the referee, as all teams at some time(s) get ************ refereeing, but those kind of antics don't do the name of football, nor your team any good.
Not the best view of the dive, but it's here anyway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB1oqJ2GFAE

But from another angle (that I couldn't find) that was shown on TV, it was just shameful.

[Beachiboy86]

That Klose got a 2 yellows was only bad luck for him. He really didn't deserve it at this time. Several "hundred" reasons were called why, just accept it. Other players like C.Ronaldo, Shevchenko, Podolski are worse in almost every game with the style of playing and they don't get red carded after 20 mins with this kind of fouls and dives.

Generally Klose don't dive much, and now he did, and got knocked out by the ref.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Shevchenko?!!!!!!!!

Now that's someone i didn't think would ever be accused of diving.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

didn't you see the World Cup against Tunisia, Vfb?

or is this another case of me missing the sarcasm? ;)

[4x4s]

Generally Klose don't dive much, and now he did, and got knocked out by the ref.

Maybe thats the problem and he should practice first, because even a C Jugend referee would've spotted that dive.

[Hobo]

Totally agree.
To me dives and usportsmanlike conduct are the biggest problems in football, so much worse than some flares in the audience but sadly FIFA/UEFA don't agree.

you make the call: in which picture is there more of chance for somebody to die?

http://mediadb.kicker.de/news/1000/1100/4000/artikel/574890/spielunterbrechung1-1178210625_zoom29_crop_599x450_600x450+0+28.jpg

http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/sport/bundesliga/2007/05/05/klose-miroslav-abflug/mfb-6717279-klose-miro-schwalbe-quer,templateId=renderScaled,property=Bild,width=263.jpg

[Cris 09]

you make the call: in which picture is there more of chance for somebody to die?

http://mediadb.kicker.de/news/1000/1100/4000/artikel/574890/spielunterbrechung1-1178210625_zoom29_crop_599x450_600x450+0+28.jpg

http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/sport/bundesliga/2007/05/05/klose-miroslav-abflug/mfb-6717279-klose-miro-schwalbe-quer,templateId=renderScaled,property=Bild,width=263.jpg

ROTFLMAO!!!

REPPED!!!!

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

Maybe thats the problem and he should practice first, because even a C Jugend referee would've spotted that dive.

¡P... madre! Para mi tu comentario es una broma pesada. :mad:

That was a bad diving, because it was no diving,
Klose just fell on the ground and stood up immediatly.

who was the referee

He is called Layec, hopefully his last international. :rolleyes:

I don´t want to say he was biased although he stole us a player,
he was just horrible. :mad:

[sting-ray]

i have to agree with LGW here. Yes footi, we had already (Propably) lost the semifinal, but that doesn't give the referee permission to be bad and inconsistent... If espanyol also had 10 maen it would be different.

btw layec didn't have the tv camera angle of klose's "dive" this makes it harder to give a red.

[F96]

you make the call: in which picture is there more of chance for somebody to die?

If he falls in an awkward way he could surely break his neck. So the 2nd picture for me.

[footyfan1]

That was a bad diving, because it was no diving, Klose just fell on the ground and stood up immediatly.

Then why did Klose ADMIT he dived on Premiere after the match?



He is called Layec, hopefully his last international. :rolleyes:

I don´t want to say he was biased although he stole us a player,
he was just horrible. :mad:


He wasn't great, but I never expected this kind of whining from you EE.

You guys were horrible in Barcelona and that's what cost you this tie.

[footyfan1]

i have to agree with LGW here. Yes footi, we had already (Propably) lost the semifinal, but that doesn't give the referee permission to be bad and inconsistent... If espanyol also had 10 maen it would be different.

btw layec didn't have the tv camera angle of klose's "dive" this makes it harder to give a red.

Oh please. Klose himself admitted he dived! For me, that kills all of your excuses.

Your team still has a title to fight for and you guys continue to BITCH about this??

You should be bitching about their performance in Barcelona. That referee wasn't great, but he didn't do anything that wasn't within the rules or his right to do so.

If Klose doesn't dive, he doesn't see that second yellow. I'm sure the referee is the one who made Klose take that stupid dive, right?

Oh wait, Klose didn't dive! He admitted to something he didn't do!

Please.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Even Klose isn't that infallible.

I am becoming more and more confident of our chances of winning tomorrow.