Best All Time Concacaf 11

[Crazy_Yank]

Post your best all time concacaf 11.



Hugo Sanchez-Yorke

---Blanco-----Latapy
-----Pardo-Reyna

Marques-Dooley-Osorio-Cherundolo

--------Friedel

[Antonio81]

Jesus Arellano(Mex), Jorge Gonzales(ES), David Suazo(Hon), Paolo Wanchope(CR), Dely Valdez(Pan), and John Barnes(Jam) could all be in there too, but I guess there isn't enough spae for everyone.

[zenden]

Here goes nothing.

-------------Friedel------------
--Marquez-Quirarte-Suarez--
----------Aspe--Pardo-------
Latapy-------------------Barnes
-----------Gonzalez----------
-----Yorke----------Sanchez---

Bench:
Campos
Salcido
Tena
Reyna
Dely Valdez
Wanhope
Medford

Sorry if there is a bit of a Mexican bias, but those are the guys I'm familiar with.

[Deathdealer]

Here goes nothing.

-------------Friedel------------
--Marquez-Quirarte-Suarez--
----------Aspe--Pardo-------
Latapy-------------------Barnes
-----------Gonzalez----------
-----Yorke----------Sanchez---

Bench:
Campos
Salcido
Tena
Reyna
Dely Valdez
Wanhope
Medford

Sorry if there is a bit of a Mexican bias, but those are the guys I'm familiar with.


This makes a pretty good argument for Amado Guevara, not to mention Suazo being a sure thing.
Amado Skill is pretty amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc452YJh5a0&mode=related&search=

[zenden]

This makes a pretty good argument for Amado Guevara, not to mention Suazo being a sure thing.
Amado Skill is pretty amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc452YJh5a0&mode=related&search=
There are just too many exceptional players for an all-time XI.

[dsp87260]

How anyone can pick Friedel over Keller is beyond me at this point...(it's gotta' be pure bias and not any rational, objective analysis)

Leaving aside for the moment that Keller's career is better in every measurable way (except WC matches which aren't exactly a fair way to decide when all of Keller's were in Europe and the team around him didn't play well....6 goals allowed in group play in 2002 vs 6 goals allowed in group play in 2006...the difference for the US was that in 2002 we actually scored a few goals to allow us to advance).....lets just look at CONCACAF since that's what's being discussed here....

Friedel
14W-6L-7T vs CONCACAF
9 shut-outs, 31 goals allowed vs all CONCACAF
(7 caps vs Mexico, 2W-1L-4T, 4 shut-outs, 5 goals allowed)

Keller
36W-6L-13T vs CONCACAF
37 shut-outs, 24 goals allowed vs all CONCACAF
(8 caps vs Mexico, 3W-4L-1T, 3 shut-outs, 7 goals allowed)


If I were to compare their records vs other Confederations, you'd see a similar pattern of superiority by Keller. [Example, Keller is the only US keeper to have wins (shut-out wins at that) or shut-outs vs Argentina (both times he played against them) and the only keeper to have a win against Brazil (again, a shut-out win)]

The only thing Friedel really has to hang his hat on for the USMNT is his great performance in the 2002 WC.....which I've already shown really wasn't all that better than Keller's in 2006 (again the difference in results was the goalscoring or lack thereof).

[gbalzac]

yeah and anyone that watches soccer and knows a thing about keeping knows that Friedel is superior to Keller by a mile. Friedel is a stud I watch a lot of Blackburn and see him save their butts every time. I've seen tons of Keller also and he's just not on the same level. World class keepers save 2 or 3 goals every game good ones save 1 maybe....Friedel stops the impossible regularly enough and doesn't make mistakes....Keller doesn't make mistakes. end of discussion

[dsp87260]

yeah and anyone that watches soccer and knows a thing about keeping knows that Friedel is superior to Keller by a mile. Friedel is a stud I watch a lot of Blackburn and see him save their butts every time. I've seen tons of Keller also and he's just not on the same level. World class keepers save 2 or 3 goals every game good ones save 1 maybe....Friedel stops the impossible regularly enough and doesn't make mistakes....Keller doesn't make mistakes. end of discussion

uhh...no...

Look at the numbers, stats, who they've played against (and I don't give a f**ck what they do for a club team...look at their performance in a US Jersey......but some have made great arguments about the numbers re Keller being better for club than Friedel as well).

Oh, and I guess you never saw the Brazil match....the only time we beat Brazil....pretty much all Keller in that game.....Romario credited Keller with the "best goalkeeping performance ever seen by him." (and again, take a look at his games vs Argentina too....only US keeper to ever shut them out...and not only shut them out, but win....twice....only one match was a friendly, the other in CA)

Keller is better. PERIOD.

"end of discussion"








*dig through some of my post if you want to find the breakdown of all opponents, stats, etc.
Keller is clearly better...especially for the National team.


EDIT: Let me add that one can argue that Friedel has/had more talent/potential/whatever than Keller (I wouldn't), but there's no way anyone can argue with the numbers and careers....Keller is better.

[Kick The Ball]

John Barnes could have played for both T&T or Jamaica but choosed England. How could you put him on a concacaf best team...

His father was from Jamaica and his mother from T&T or vise versa...

Yorke and Latapy is a must on that team....

[Antonio81]

Both Friedel and Keller were amazing. Friedel saved two penalties in the 2002 World Cup(ultimately taking the USA to the second round, while Keller would shut out Brazil stopping something around 27 shots in that Gold Cup game, ana also shut down Argentina in a friendly(saving a friendly).

Other very good CONCACAF keepers were Tony Meola and Conejo. Tony Meola played a huge part in the US' win over Colombia in 1994 with several brilliant saves, and had a very good game against Italy in 1990, keeping the score respectable. Conejo was solid for Costa Rica in 1990(him leaving the field in the second round ultimately cost CR a place in the quarterfinals) and was considered one of the top 3 keepers of the tournament.

[dsp87260]

Both Friedel and Keller were amazing. Friedel saved two penalties in the 2002 World Cup(ultimately taking the USA to the second round, while Keller would shut out Brazil stopping something around 27 shots in that Gold Cup game, ana also shut down Argentina in a friendly(saving a friendly).

Other very good CONCACAF keepers were Tony Meola and Conejo. Tony Meola played a huge part in the US' win over Colombia in 1994 with several brilliant saves, and had a very good game against Italy in 1990, keeping the score respectable. Conejo was solid for Costa Rica in 1990(him leaving the field in the second round ultimately cost CR a place in the quarterfinals) and was considered one of the top 3 keepers of the tournament.

I agree with all of this.....

And don't forget Keller also shut out Argentina in the 1995 Copa America (3-0 win for the US). (As I said before, the only US keeper to have wins or shut-outs against Argentina....and both his games were shut-out wins.)

Re Meola....He had a pretty good game vs Brazil in the 1994 WC 2nd round too (0-1 loss for the USA). I definitely think he's up there with Keller and Friedel....looking only at career numbers, I'd put him at 2nd between Keller (#1) and Friedel (#3).....but overall I would say Keller #1, Friedel #2, and Meola #3 for the USA.

Don't have much to say about Conejo....never really followed him since he wasn't a US player, but he seemed pretty good too and I only heard good things about his ability from others.

[zenden]

uhh...no...

Look at the numbers, stats, who they've played against (and I don't give a f**ck what they do for a club team...

Stupidest post ever.

[dsp87260]

Stupidest post ever.

No not at all.....just look at some of your countrymen's posts in WR. :p

And what I was saying was that I don't really care about anything except the US National team when it comes right down to it.

You're showing yourself to be not that smart (dare I say stupid?) if you think that Keller hasn't had better results over the years than Friedel.

[zenden]

No not at all.....just look at some of your countrymen's posts in WR. :p

And what I was saying was that I don't really care about anything except the US National team when it comes right down to it.

You're showing yourself to be not that smart (dare I say stupid?) if you think that Keller hasn't had better results over the years than Friedel.

Friedel IMO is ine of the top 5 gks in the Prem while Keller plays(played) for a ************, relegated Monchengladbach.

[dsp87260]

Friedel IMO is ine of the top 5 gks in the Prem while Keller plays(played) for a ************, relegated Monchengladbach.

Yes....but look at their careers as a whole.....Friedel has really only had a great career the last several years since joining Blackburn....actually having to come back to the US and play in MLS for a few seasons in the late 90's. Keller's had a pretty damn solid club career (always in Europe) the whole time.

And you should actually take a look at what Keller did this year.....Keller's team was near the top in fewest goals conceded (I think in 7th place in that regard)....but they were dead last in goals scored...30something goals conceded in 30something games while only scoring 22 goals. That is why they were relegated. Or do you blame Keller for their lack of goal scoring too?

And like I already said, I don't really take the club thing into account as much anyway....especially in the context of this thread....which is about CONCACAF....ie who was better in CONCACAF. Keller was the greatest ever goalkeeper as far as I can tell in CONCACAF competition. (Go back a few posts to check his stats.)

And, he beats Friedel in the results and stats vs just about all the other Confederations too (as I already said).

[Texian Soldier]

Keller vs Freidel shouldn't even be topic
for discussion b/c Keller may be the best GK to come out of CONCACAF ever.

[FenoFutbol]

I gone have to jump on this one. The only one I can think of for now is Jorge Campos.

Mexico have had some good keepers, and Central America too. Whats the name of the Costa Rican best keepers of all time?

Idk about Keller or Friedel since they dont have WC records backin them up.

[MetroChile]

Idk about Keller or Friedel since they dont have WC records backin them up.

For that matter, no CONCACAF keeper has one ;) , except for la Tota Carbajal who played in 5 WCs.

Metro

[FenoFutbol]

For that matter, no CONCACAF keeper has one ;) , except for la Tota Carbajal who played in 5 WCs.

Metro

This is the first time ill have to agree with you.

Jorge Campos was amazing though. In terms of skilled keepers, I like Salvadorans too, great keepers with average defenders like Garcia for ES or Penedo for Panama. In terms of championships, how about Porras whos a Concacaf Champion?

[MetroChile]

Yo era muy chico para el Mundial de Italia, pero mi papa y mis hnos. dicen que Conejo (asi se llamaba, no?)--de CR--era extraordinario.

Metro