View Full Version : Salvador Carmona tests positive for doping again!
elluisillo
18 May 2007, 12:39 AM
acording to los protagonistas salvador carmona tests positive again,the official announcement from the fmf will be tomorrow and chava may not play again in a pro club
chapulincolorado
18 May 2007, 10:02 AM
acording to los protagonistas salvador carmona tests positive again,the official announcement from the fmf will be tomorrow and chava may not play again in a pro club
More at MedioTiempo. (http://www.mediotiempo.com/noticia.php?id_noticia=38723)
nachito455
18 May 2007, 12:39 PM
wow this is not a roumor... carmona is out for life.....its everwhere
femexfut
televisadeportes
this is huge
im a chivas fan and am i glad this didnt happen while he was at chivas
Brailovsky
18 May 2007, 03:46 PM
Lei que hasta la federacion mexicana sera castigada....cuidado!!!
elluisillo
18 May 2007, 04:26 PM
asi es por que ellos ya conocian la situacion y no tomaron las medidas necesarias
montakristo
18 May 2007, 10:57 PM
carmona is an idiot, he deserves whatever he gets at this point
Chiquitibum
18 May 2007, 11:02 PM
so Cruz Azul will not play on Sunday. oh well
LMvCP
18 May 2007, 11:24 PM
carmona is an idiot, he deserves whatever he gets at this point
I think it is wrong to assume he is guilty despite the smoking gun.
I get the impression WADA holds CAAD and other Mexican Laboratories in contempt for not bowing down to their findings. God forbid that right? :eek:
The fact that multiple labs conducted test and came out with different results is a good thing. Just 2 years ago, Houston's police department was heavily scrutinized after investigations broke out that their labs were contaminated. Before these findings, Judges and Juries were considering holding their findings as good as gold, only to find out that numerous (over 50) cases were wrong. One man in particular had spent over 5 years in jail over false and inadequate testing.
If you look a the time sequence, the sample in question was retrieved January 31, 2006. Carmona had tested positive July 2005.
Was 6-7 months sufficient time to perform another doping test? How long does that subtance stay in the body? Is 6-7 months sufficient time for that particular substance to dissolve, leave the body?
montakristo
18 May 2007, 11:27 PM
true true i didn't think about it like that
metalmaster
18 May 2007, 11:27 PM
so Cruz Azul will not play on Sunday. oh well
Is it official?
metalmaster
18 May 2007, 11:30 PM
I think it is wrong to assume he is guilty despite the smoking gun.
I get the impression WADA holds CAAD and other Mexican Laboratories in contempt for not bowing down to their findings. God forbid that right? :eek:
The fact that multiple labs conducted test and came out with different results is a good thing. Just 2 years ago, Houston's police department was heavily scrutinized after investigations broke out that their labs were contaminated. Before these findings, Judges and Juries were considering holding their findings as good as gold, only to find out that numerous (over 50) cases were wrong. One man in particular had spent over 5 years in jail over false and inadequate testing.
If you look a the time sequence, the sample in question was retrieved January 31, 2006. Carmona had tested positive July 2005.
Was 6-7 months sufficient time to perform another doping test? How long does that subtance stay in the body? Is 6-7 months sufficient time for that particular substance to dissolve, leave the body?
That is the one thing I don't get. Why did it take so long to inform C.Azul and Carmona of the life time ban decision, over a year?
LMvCP
19 May 2007, 12:52 AM
That is the one thing I don't get. Why did it take so long to inform C.Azul and Carmona of the life time ban decision, over a year?
They did not take along time to inform Cruz Azul. The UCLA Lab (WADA approved lab) sent their findings to the FMF 22 days (21-Feb-06) after examining Carmona. The following day (22-Feb-06), the FMF informed Cruz Azul of the situation.
After listening to Billy Alvarez's interview today, he raises a couple good questions basing them on our (FMF) statutes. CAS has no authority in Mexico. Despite having close ties to FIFA, CAS and WADA are not FIFA.
This is basically a power struggle over who has jursidiction. CAS finds CAAD's reports inadequate because according to them, CAAD made decisions on erroneus information about remaining test samples.
elluisillo
19 May 2007, 01:03 AM
Is it official?
yes it is
Cabiņo
19 May 2007, 01:22 AM
so Cruz Azul will not play on Sunday. oh well
Look at it this way. Pachuca se salvo de una putisa:)
:o :(
amanzo81
19 May 2007, 02:11 AM
Was 6-7 months sufficient time to perform another doping test? How long does that subtance stay in the body? Is 6-7 months sufficient time for that particular substance to dissolve, leave the body?
About a month when taken orally, longer if injected:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=346026
If we asume Carmona did injest the "gotitas" orally, then it is very likely he was testing positive for a new cycle he was on, not the old one.
Brailovsky
19 May 2007, 02:33 AM
Ni que carmona valiera tanto....lo hubieran mandado a la verga desde antes...
becauseigothigh
19 May 2007, 03:30 AM
What an idiot. The guy should never play again.
estaticxalde
19 May 2007, 04:05 AM
Its been announced that cruz azul are automatically out of the liguilla because they played him.. tough break
http://www.mediotiempo.com/noticia.php?id_noticia=38776
Scotty
19 May 2007, 10:04 AM
Carmona, Mexican club defy life ban for doping (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-carmona-ban&prov=ap&type=lgns)
The Mexican Soccer Federation disqualified Cruz Azul from the national league championship semifinals Friday because the club allowed Salvador Carmona to play after he was handed a lifetime suspension for doping.
Cruz Azul was to have faced Pachuca in the second leg of the semifinals on Sunday after losing the first game 3-1 on Thursday. Pachuca will advance automatically to the finals.
"A sanction of one game was applied to Cruz Azul effective immediately, and the team will not be able to play the semifinal match against Pachuca ... and consequently is eliminated from the 2007 tournament," federation general secretary Decio de Maria announced.
Capra27
19 May 2007, 11:29 AM
hold on for one moment, isn't the WADA suspending Chava for that one incident in confederaciones?
I heard on the radio the UCLA lab tested him positive, while another lab (possibly in Mexico) had him negative, so who's right?
And why would anyone care if WADA says this or that, if they are not FIFA related?