Carlos Tevez vs. Wayne Rooney

[sandipset]

Rooney oftenm plays for Man Utd in the midfield as a winger on both the left and right sides



Rooney improved massively in 2004-05, 2005-2006 seasons, this season he's probably not had quite a good season as he did in 2005-2006, but he's sill been one of the best players in the Premiership this season.

As for Tevez, he only really madse his impact on West Ham towards the end of the season, by which time he did indeed look like a quality player, but for people who watch the Premeirship regularly there's not much debate that Rooney is the better player.

Lol really?.... stop dreaming

[jcsd]

Lol really?.... stop dreaming

Yes really:rolleyes:

For a start, he was never that prolific, but over the last two seasons he's been among the Premiership's top scorers.

[ReddestDevil]

That might be the case but Rooney is proppeled into messiah type of player by the media something which is not true.

You have players like, Henry, Eto'o, Ruud, Shevchenko and Villa in oneplace then you have players like Rooney, Gilardino, Adebayor, Defoe, Crouch .. 2 completely different classes.

Under NO circumstance would I put Rooney and Adebayor/Defoe/Crouch in the same group. Rooney outclasses them all, but it does seem like he scores when he feels like it...which is sad and unfortunate. I say, United give Rooney and Saha to Spurs, we'll take Berbatov... :D

[United Pumps]

That would be the worst deal in football history.

[United20]

There is no comparison right now. Rooney is a better finisher, athlete, and striker. Tevez might find his groove next season, but he has yet to get there against EURO competition.

[Naughty by Nature]

Under NO circumstance would I put Rooney and Adebayor/Defoe/Crouch in the same group. Rooney outclasses them all, but it does seem like he scores when he feels like it...which is sad and unfortunate. I say, United give Rooney and Saha to Spurs, we'll take Berbatov... :D

While i might have been off when i grouped Wayne Rooney with Defoe and Crouch, i only meant to show that he is still a "potential" and not the world beater he is being portrayed as.

You see Wayne Rooney plays as a forward for Manchester United, he has played 35 matches this season in the EPL and has managed to score 14 goals. That number might be good for a winger or a midfielder for that matter but not for the main forward of the best team in the league, specially when you consider how many games he has played.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

He was not the main forward and when you consider that Drogba (despite his 'stunning' season) only managed to scrape 20 league goals, it is a good figure. Rooney played like shit when he was recovering from his pre-WC injury but despite that he had an explosive second half to the season.

[laolafever]

Rooney no other oppinion.

[tommuster]

Dont know they are both good players. But i am leaning more on rooney.

[Seaside Mafia]

Overall I think that Rooney has the greater potential. However, over the last season I think that Tevez made more impact. I think that Rooney's head goes down too quickly and he reverts to petulance when things aren't going his way. Even when being played out of position Tevez was always giving his all.

[JuveFE]

what do you know. after all these who is better carlitos or rooney threads, now they end up on the same team. go figure

can't wait to see the 3 of them play together. carlitos, rooney and ronaldo. should be a joy to watch.


oh yeah, carlitos is still better than rooney. :)

[Moishe]

Not to take anything away from Rooney, but as outstanding a player he is, he's not in the league of Tevez. Just like many pointed out, Rooney is sorrounded by some of the best players in the EPL. Tevez wasn't yet managed to rescue a team from relegation. He's been an impact if not a force at every team he's been at. The never having played at a big club argument is bullshit as BOCA is as big as any club in Europe. What international silverware does Rooney have? It's not much but Tevez does have an Olympic Gold Medal.

Take things a step further and let's look at this years Copa America and what a player Tevez has been. The argument of Rooney being played out of position is an excuse pure and plain. Tevez throughout the course of every match he's played has floated all over the field to make himself available. No one whines about his being out of position. Bottom line, a great player makes wherever he is on a pitch his position. Those that think Rooney is more skilled and more athletic really havent seen Tevez play. Rooney is damn good but he's still the by product of media hype.

[j.fisher]

Tevez is amazing, but I'll admit I have a semi-man cruch on Rooney... that goofy little ogre.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Not to take anything away from Rooney, but as outstanding a player he is, he's not in the league of Tevez. Just like many pointed out, Rooney is sorrounded by some of the best players in the EPL. Tevez wasn't yet managed to rescue a team from relegation. He's been an impact if not a force at every team he's been at. The never having played at a big club argument is bullshit as BOCA is as big as any club in Europe. What international silverware does Rooney have? It's not much but Tevez does have an Olympic Gold Medal.

Take things a step further and let's look at this years Copa America and what a player Tevez has been. The argument of Rooney being played out of position is an excuse pure and plain. Tevez throughout the course of every match he's played has floated all over the field to make himself available. No one whines about his being out of position. Bottom line, a great player makes wherever he is on a pitch his position. Those that think Rooney is more skilled and more athletic really havent seen Tevez play. Rooney is damn good but he's still the by product of media hype.

So Everton had some of the best players in the EPL? If you claim Boca are so good then surely that means Tevez has played with some of the best players around as well, which negates your previous point. We all know that achievements are a crock when it comes to comparing players, particularly when the achievement in question is an Olympic Title for football.

Likewise, I could point to Rooney during the last Euro tournament. The positional argument is not an excuse. There is a huge difference between being nominally played on the wing but being allowed to roam and interchange in an attacking system and being forced to play a tactically rigid game by sticking to your wing. Rooney has proved that he can play in the former system, less so with the latter. The same would apply to Tevez. As for your whine regarding the media, considering all of the South American hype regarding 'the next Pele/Maradona/etc' then you are really one to talk.

Yet again, another supporter of Tevez has fallen into the bash Rooney in order to promote Tevez trap. Poor show. If you wish to compare them then do so without resorting to bashing one or the other.

[jcsd]

I don't see how anyone who watched the Prme last season can say that Tevez is as good as Rooney. I'll ignore Tevez's slow start as it was somewhat understandable, but even when he was on form you can still tell that Rooney is a class above him. I just can't see Tevez tearing up the Prem like Rooney did in 05-06.

[SIR-T]

People on this forum allways put rooney down because they are jealous that england have his talent. The fact is rooney came back from his injury last season and scored 14 goals. He will be in the same league as ronaldiniho and henry in a few years, he is an amazing talent. Tevez is a great player too, and very similar players, but i cant see tevez having the mind to lob david james as rooney did last season or make a run like rooney did against chelsea.

Rooney is a team player, take him away from man u last season and chelsea win the league. Watch him come back this season fully fit, with henry gone i wouldnt bet against him being the leagues top scorer.

[jcsd]

The thing with Tevez is h's clearly a world class player that any team in the world could make use of, I don't anyone who rates Rooney above him trying to do him down. It's just that Rooneyis a monster, he's one of those rare players that can dominate a game at any level.

[Moishe]

So Everton had some of the best players in the EPL? If you claim Boca are so good then surely that means Tevez has played with some of the best players around as well, which negates your previous point. We all know that achievements are a crock when it comes to comparing players, particularly when the achievement in question is an Olympic Title for football.

Likewise, I could point to Rooney during the last Euro tournament. The positional argument is not an excuse. There is a huge difference between being nominally played on the wing but being allowed to roam and interchange in an attacking system and being forced to play a tactically rigid game by sticking to your wing. Rooney has proved that he can play in the former system, less so with the latter. The same would apply to Tevez. As for your whine regarding the media, considering all of the South American hype regarding 'the next Pele/Maradona/etc' then you are really one to talk.

Yet again, another supporter of Tevez has fallen into the bash Rooney in order to promote Tevez trap. Poor show. If you wish to compare them then do so without resorting to bashing one or the other.


So how exactly did I bash Rooney other than saying "Not to take anything away from Rooney, but as outstanding a player he is"? Now the comment about media hype wasn't a whine, get a girlfriend or wife and then you'll know what whining is. As for the media hype, Rooney was dubbed the next world beater and while he is a fine player, you can't honestly say he's done enough to warrant that type of hype. As far as the next Maradona/Pele....I don't play that game nor have I ever. To me all that media shit does it build a player up to fail and fail quite a few do.

As for BOCA being a great team, they are just that. Not an accumulation of stars but primarily players that came from the academy. Granted Tevez did play with some really solid players, none were of the caliber of Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes, RVN......for the exception of Riquelme. BOCA were successful because of the program, systems and most importantly the coaching.

As far as bringing up Everton, that was pointless and did more harm to your argument than it justified it. I can spout what Tevez got done at BOCA all day as I can also bring up what Tevez did for Corrinthians and more importantly how they fell apart after he left. As others I can mention what Tevez did to keep WHU in the EPL but what did Rooney do for Everton?

Let's put this in perspective based on individual accolades:

Rooney:
With Manchester United (2004 - present)

* FA Premier League - Champions : 2006-07
* League Cup Winner: 2006
* FA Cup Runners Up: 2005, 2007

Personal Honours:

* Barclays Player of the Month: February 2005, December 2005, March 2006
* PFA Team of the Year: 2005-06
* Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year: 2005-2006
* FIFPro Young Player of the Year: 2005
* FIFPro World Young Player of the Year: 2005
* PFA Young Player of the Year: 2005, 2006
* PFA Fans' Player of the Year (Premiership): 2006

Tevez:
# 2007 – West Ham United Hammer of the Year
# 2007 – Hammers News Player of the Year
# 2005 – Campeonato Brasileiro's Best Player by CBF (Brazilian Soccer Confederation)
# 2005 – Campeonato Brasileiro's Best Player (Brazilian Placar magazine)
# 2004 – Olimpia de Oro award for Argentine most important Sportperson of the year (Shared with Basketball player Manu Ginobili) (Clarín newspaper)
# 2004 – Olympic Golden Boot (8 goals in 6 matches)
# 2003, 2004 and 2005 – South American Player of the Year

Just for good measure, I thought I'd also through in some club accomplishments as well:

Titles

* 2005 – Campeonato Brasileiro Série A (Corinthians)
* 2004 – Olympic gold medal (Argentina)
* 2004 – Copa Sudamericana (Boca Juniors)
* 2003 – Intercontinental Cup (Boca Juniors)
* 2003 – Argentine Apertura (Boca Juniors)
* 2003 – Copa Libertadores (Boca Juniors)
* 2003 – South American under-20 Championship (Argentina)

You may scoff at the Gold Medal and the Golden Boot he won at the Olympics (8 goals in 6 matches) and I'd even expect you to play down the youth world championships. You can do that with credibility but you have none because Great Britain has never won an Olympic medal in our lifetime for futbol nor have the England U20's ever won a world championship infact their best ever finish was a third place. Bottom line is that yes Rooney is an outstanding player but he is nowhere the class of Tevez. Thats not bashing, thats just the way I see it.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Oh dear! You really should not have wasted your time with that post. I'll give you a while to edit it and then respond to whatever remains later on tonight. You should also examine my posts in regard to this issue and player comparisons in general.

[Moishe]

Oh dear! You really should not have wasted your time with that post. I'll give you a while to edit it and then respond to whatever remains later on tonight. You should also examine my posts in regard to this issue and player comparisons in general.

The only time wasted is due to the fact that no matter what is put forth you can see anything other than ManU red. I've provided facts and all you provide is your personal wisdom which is likely limited due to age. Comparisons are only 100% valid when the two go head to head. I only saw one such match and that was the last match ManU and WHU played and I think it's pretty obvious who the best player on the pitch that day was.