Wynne to TFC

[Matrim55]

Wow.

http://njmg.typepad.com/sbi/2007/04/marvell_wynne_t.html

I was never that high on Wynne, but he does have potential. I hope Bruce knows what he's doing.

Busy day for the Red Bulls.

[Mike22]

This would seem to be a move to free up some cap (2nd DP still takes $325k) and also to free the roster space. Seems like Arena is really confident in Hunter Freeman. Also, Johnston obviously realizes that his Norwegian/USL Canadian defense isn't going to cut it. Pretty interesting decision for both parties.

[blkbrnrvr]

I never would have called this one. Shocking stuff.

[purojogo]

Bad trade...you've got to be kidding me....What if Freeman gets hurt? Does Bruce see no upside to Wynne?

Crap.....

[ugaaccountant]

In a capspace league this makes sense. Wynne as a backup is not worth 80k this year or his full 150k in the future. If Bruce picked Freeman then fair enough. Both were on the same U-20 team, it's not like Freeman's a nobody.

The team did not get enough value for Wynne though. A guy who will start for TFC is worth more than a 2nd round + chump change allocation. 1st round of a bad team like TFC + chump change allocation would be fair I think. Since they had already traded their first round NY was in a tight spot since they had to trade with someone in order to get JPA in. NY had almost no leverage since every team knew why they needed to cut costs.

[dark knight]

At least he didn't go to Houston. Not sure I could deal with seeing Rico and Wynne lined up on the opposite field.

[jeff_adams]

At least he didn't go to Houston. Not sure I could deal with seeing Rico and Wynne lined up on the opposite field.

The wheeling and dealing might not be done. Houston could trade TFC someone like Cochrane and a pick for Wynne, you never know.

[MLSNHTOWN]

At least he didn't go to Houston. Not sure I could deal with seeing Rico and Wynne lined up on the opposite field.

I am actually really pissed that he didn't end up here. Let's face it our team speed could use an upgrade on the defensive end. I know Wynne isn't the best defender in the world, but it would have been really nice to slot him there. A Mullan/Wynne right side would have been sick. For as little as Toronto FC gave up, I bet there are a lot of teams a little upset right now.

[Arisrules]

Bad trade...you've got to be kidding me....What if Freeman gets hurt? Does Bruce see no upside to Wynne?

Crap.....

Regan played half the season last year with Chivas at the RB spot, Mendes played RB for Rochester.

Quick question, which one of you would do this trade:

Wynne for Kleijstan/J. Hernandez.

Anybody with half a brain does that deal, because Kleijstan is national team stuff material, and wynne could possibly potentially make it if he learns to play soccer.

[LosAngeles]

TFC made out in this deal.

[Super Sting]

This looks to me like one of those MLS maintaining parity trades. Trades which make no sense but for one team.

[shawn8]

mls underground is reporting that this might be for a 1st round draft pick and a partial allocation. it said that tfc had two 1st round picks and they might be giving up one of those. if this is true i think ny comes out on top.

[blkbrnrvr]

mls underground is reporting that this might be for a 1st round draft pick and a partial allocation. it said that tfc had two 1st round picks and they might be giving up one of those. if this is true i think ny comes out on top.

that would come closer to making some sense......some.

[Lloyd Heilbrunn]

So the guy who thought he could turn Bobby Convey and Eddie Lewis into defenders does not think he can turn Wynne into one???

Interesting.....

[Baysider]

Regan played half the season last year with Chivas at the RB spot, Mendes played RB for Rochester.

Quick question, which one of you would do this trade:

Wynne for Kleijstan/J. Hernandez.

Anybody with half a brain does that deal, because Kleijstan is national team stuff material, and wynne could possibly potentially make it if he learns to play soccer.

Absolutely you do that trade.

Drafting Wynne #1 was a mistake (and I argued that at the time). The problem is that he is a mix of very great potential with limited skills now. He's basically learning on the job. If he turns out to be a world class right back then he'll leave for Europe. If he turns out to be a solid MLS player you just spent a #1 pick and took a big cap hit for a right back. It's not a smart way to draft.

[JohnR]

It's not a smart way to draft.

It's a pretty smart way to draft if he has a realistic chance of becoming a world class back, and the club can keep his transfer fee after you sell him. That would provide the clubs with the incentive to invest in players like Wynne -- which would be good for U.S. soccer overall if he truly is a world class prospect, no?

Although I suspect that Arena would quarrel with that assertion. I don't see Bruce swapping a potential USMNT fixture just because he's not ready today. He probably just doesn't think Marvell is much good.

[Matrim55]

Although I suspect that Arena would quarrel with that assertion. I don't see Bruce swapping a potential USMNT fixture just because he's not ready today. He probably just doesn't think Marvell is much good.
Marvel hasn't given anyone a real reason to.

[nobody]

He traded a guy who was looking like being the highest paid back up outside back in the league as soon as his salary kicked in. That makes perfect sense to me. In MLS, with the parity and the way players get tossed around and teams regularly rise and fall in an instant, holding onto a guy who's gonna cost you money and won't be ready to be a real difference maker for a few years, if ever, isn't really all that good of an idea.

[JohnR]

Marvel hasn't given anyone a real reason to.

Freddy Adu might disagree.

[zeusbrowne]

When I saw this story this morning I was simply stunned. Since then I've had a chance to read around and get a little emotional distance. I've been a Marvelle Wynne fan, but ...


Some Reasons I think I'm already over this

1. My appreciation for Marvelle was based on potential not production
2. Hunter Freeman is a better RB right now, which is to say he's a better right back than Marvelle may ever be
3. Dane Richards provides more than enough flank speed. Human's aren't equipped with double-barrelled anuses. Once your opponent shits their pants once at Richards' speed, Wynne won't make them do it again
4. With all the offense up front, we just need solid D from the back 4
5. For all that Wynne seemed to improve last season vs. Columbus he appeared to have suffered offseason Soccer IQ Brain Damage being repeatedly caught grossly out of position and then being alternately skewered and turned like a pig on a spit by Andy freakin' Herron
6. He's pretty friggin' expensive for a backup. We needed some cap space for JPA

Now that I have ripped the scales from mine eyes I see that:

A. the following long shots do not outweigh the above:
-----1. He's going to be a USANT stalwart
-----2. He's going to command a huge transfer fee someday

and:

B. the following, though true, are not enough by themselves a good soccer player to make:
-----1. He's really, really fast
-----2. He's strong
-----3. He looks mean, he has a serious game face
-----4. He throws the ball really, really far on throw-ins
-----5. His father was a professional baseball player

With that all said, I'm still a Wynne fan and I'm rooting for the guy to realize his potential. OTOH, if that does happen and this trade eventually bites Red Bull in the ass (as history suggests it might) I still don't think I'll regret or resent it because I think it is the right decision for the team for this season and the next season or two; and I just can't see holding on to Wynne now based on hopes for his club form in 2010.