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fischerw
12 Apr 2007, 09:23 PM
Check out Frank Deford's "viewpoint", which sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer have up on their main site:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/frank_deford/04/11/big.ones/index.html

Really, Deford only talks about soccer in the first few paragraphs, then the rest of the article...has not much to do with the beginning.

BUT, for once I might actually agree with something Deford had to say about soccer. In the article, he blames football violence in Europe not on the nature of the game (as other soccer-hating boneheads come close to doing), but on the fact that soccer is so primary in many European countries. We in the US are generally fans of many different sports, and we have our preferred teams in each sport. Although basketball, or hockey, etc, may be somewhat popular in various European countries, soccer is FAR AND AWAY top dog. Die hard supporters of various clubs, like Roma, or ManU, probably aren't also die hard fans of any team in any other sport.

So, while in November I could say, "Damn, the Tigers lost the World Series. Oh well, the Red Wings and the Pistons are getting underway now!", some guy in Belgrade might say, "Red Star have lost! I have nothing to live for now. I want to beat up some fans of the other team!"

Well, now that I've written that last bit, Deford's argument seems a little far-fetched. But I still think it might at least partially explain the violence that occurs in stadiums in Europe--there aren't enough venues in which fans can vent their sports angst.

Other factors are certainly involved. For example, Supporters' groups are often political in nature, which could add to the tensions that create the violence.

But, anyway, what do you think of Deford's point here? Maybe someone with more firsthand knowledge of European supporters groups (of which I have none, really) can opine.

Bauser
13 Apr 2007, 06:19 AM
So, while in November I could say, "Damn, the Tigers lost the World Series. Oh well, the Red Wings and the Pistons are getting underway now!", some guy in Belgrade might say, "Red Star have lost! I have nothing to live for now. I want to beat up some fans of the other team!"

Very shallow argument.

How is he going to explain that many of these fights occur even before there is any reason to be disappointed by a result? The brawling often starts out in the streets before a ball is kicked.

Most major clubs - from whatever country the originate from - challenge on several fronts. So if the Red Star are out of the European Cup, there is still the league or domestic cup to play for.

aloisius
13 Apr 2007, 06:31 AM
There was a fight a couple a weeks a go between panathinakos
and olympiakos superters . It hapned during a womens volleyball match between the two clubs.



Fighting is quite natural for young males. It’s just that in Europe those young males also like football and tie that with the fighting.

deejay
13 Apr 2007, 09:15 AM
I remember an article in Argentina about a riot the Ford fans started in a race track. Yes, the Ford fans. They had flags and everything.

fischerw
13 Apr 2007, 01:34 PM
I remember an article in Argentina about a riot the Ford fans started in a race track. Yes, the Ford fans. They had flags and everything.

That's gotta be the most ridiculous example out there.

So now I'm wondering if it has something to do with sports being marketed as such a family-friendly event in the United States? Maybe the violence would occur here more often if sports stadiums weren't overflowing with kiddies on hat day? I don't imagine that Red Star has kiddie hat day. I apologize for picking on Red Star, by the way, but I figure they are a good example of a team whose supporters are sometimes linked with violence.

Or maybe someone can come forward and present statistics that show US sporting events to be just as plagued by incidents of fan violence as those in Europe?

HSEUPASSION
14 Apr 2007, 06:11 PM
I think it has to do with the fact that American police can, and will, shoot you.

Salop
14 Apr 2007, 06:26 PM
That article belied an utter lack of understanding of football and its associated culture.

To blame "soccer violence" on the sport's "primacy" is at best an ignorant misunderstanding of the topic and at worst a thinly veiled anti-European jibe.

Either way, it's very poor journalism.

m1150
14 Apr 2007, 10:43 PM
That's gotta be the most ridiculous example out there.

So now I'm wondering if it has something to do with sports being marketed as such a family-friendly event in the United States? Maybe the violence would occur here more often if sports stadiums weren't overflowing with kiddies on hat day? I don't imagine that Red Star has kiddie hat day. I apologize for picking on Red Star, by the way, but I figure they are a good example of a team whose supporters are sometimes linked with violence.

Or maybe someone can come forward and present statistics that show US sporting events to be just as plagued by incidents of fan violence as those in Europe?

The only "fan violence" that usually happens in the U.S. is when fans go around overturning cars and lighting fires in drunken celebration of a win or frustration at a loss. Even this is relatively rare -- by chance, I was in Times Square the night the Yankees won the World Series in 1996, and while the celebration was loud, I saw no windows being broken or anything.
This may have something to do with the price of tickets to sporting events here. The $50 cost of an NFL ticket kind of shuts out the urban gang demographic.

Cris 09
15 Apr 2007, 03:32 PM
I have to agree, this guy is an idiot for writing this and his editors are dumbasses for publishing it!!! This reads like some "dumbest post thread" here on BS!!