Polska hooligan culture?

[Casper1377]

I've been wondering how the "hooligan" element in Polska has been or is. For example, has Polska and England ever had any problems over the years or Polska vs. Germany, etc...meaning have their been any real battles over the years?
Also, when it comes to club teams and their supporters, have Legia or Wisla Krakow battled any other foreign club teams like, say, West Ham, Chelsea, Man. Utd, Bayern, etc, etc...do any of the PZPN clubs have hateful rivalries and battle? now or in the past? I've read about Legia having a pretty tough crew behind one of the goals...what's the story on them? What are they called?

just trying to get a grasp for things. I read alot about this kind of thing. Any info would be really cool. Thanks!

na zdrowie!

[Sopot26]

Arka Gdynia vs. Lechia Gdansk

Legendary fans battles!!!

[RhinosBoy21]

Polish fans always fight the Brits anytime they meet. Perfect example is from 1999 when England played in Warsaw and alot of Brits were in hospital's during the match from injuries. Gornik and Kotowice are rivals that hate each other. LKS Lodz and Widzew Lodz really hate each other. Even though they are in different leagues, they still fight. Legia and Lech Poznan had some really good battles in the past, and now since Lech is back to the first Divison they should have some more good fights.

Poland has the best hooligans in the world, thats for sure.

[marek]

One way to tell if you're leaving Gdansk and entering Gdynia is to keep an eye out for the graffitti. Lechia changes to Arka, and its everywhere.

Originally posted by Sopot26
Arka Gdynia vs. Lechia Gdansk

Legendary fans battles!!!

[MikeLastort2]

Originally posted by RhinosBoy21
Poland has the best hooligans in the world, thats for sure.

That's really something to be proud of.

[Casper1377]

this is brilliant! thanks for all the info...can anyone fill in more details of the England vs. Polska match in 1999 that was mentioned? It was in Warsaw, then? Was anyone at that match?

Anything anybody knows about this entire subject I'd love to hear. Call it 'morbid curiosity' I guess. Like someone who studies about serial killers or terrorism or something. I follow football ultra culture. And Polska, well...Bialo Czerwoni Wojownicy! Love 'em!

thanks and cheers!

[Stinkey Turner]

Try this link, there is tons of info here.
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/6261/menuc.htm

[RhinosBoy21]

Originally posted by MikeLastort2


That's really something to be proud of.

Sure is man, now go suck a fat one.

[BrianCappellieri]

Originally posted by MikeLastort2
That's really something to be proud of.

And it's not even true...

[tredowski]

Originally posted by BrianCappellieri
And it's not even true...

exactly.
and thank God it isn't.

[BrianCappellieri]

I hardly think Polish hools have a "culture." Most just seem to be a bunch of drunk racists who could care less about football.

But here's another link to check out: Hooligans.cz (http://www.hooligans.cz)

[Konrad]

I think in 2000 there was a Germany vs Poland friendly that had to be stopped. Some German Fans had a flag with "Schindler Jews we salute you" after they raised that all hell broke out...

[RhinosBoy21]

Originally posted by Konrad
I think in 2000 there was a Germany vs Poland friendly that had to be stopped. Some German Fans had a flag with "Schindler Jews we salute you" after they raised that all hell broke out...

Poland didn't play Germany in 2000.

"I hardly think Polish hools have a "culture." Most just seem to be a bunch of drunk racists who could care less about football."

And why do you think so? Ever been to a game? Or are you just another dumb yank?

[BrianCappellieri]

No, I haven't had the privelege of visiting Warsaw but I was basing my comment on what I've read and what I've heard from friends who are from Poland. I know not all Polish hooligans are racist but many of them seem to be.

Dumb Yank? Should i make some ignorant "dumb Polak" jokes now or later?

[tredowski]

Now RhinosBoy21, how can any type of hooligans have a "culture"?
Tell me what is there to be proud of about the fact that a bunch of skinheads go beat people up and ruin soccer for everyone in Poland?
Do you know how many regular people who would normaly be coming to peacefully watch the matches this turns away? Poland doesn't need that.
Even you have to admit that the attendance is pretty bad at league games. And hooliganism is the main reason for it.

[BrianCappellieri]

Tredowski, I agree with you for the most part but hooliganism does have culture because it is a part of history (and obviously is around today). And I think you're generalizing with skinheads. Most Skins are racist or violent.

People who are members of UK firms and Italian ultras groups have created a culture and way of life. Polish hooligans I'm not so sure about...

[RhinosBoy21]

Yes, Hooligians make people stay at home. People don't go to matches in Poland becasue alot of the families can not afford it. In Zabrze, a ticket costs 20 zloty for a person over 18 or for kids without id. A family of 4 can not go to a match a spend 80 zloty to just watch a game. Theres alot of people jobless in Poland, or going to work under the table in Germany. Hooligans are not the main problem.

Without the hooligans attendence would also go down. There is no room in the game for quiet matches either. Not every match is there a fight. People who don't know what they are talking about should stay out of this. My biggest problem here was that Brian calling Polish hooligans "Drunk racists". Poland has hooligans, yes. Every country has Hooligans. Don't turn this into "Poland is bad becasue of hooligans" Everywhere in Europe you see Hools.

England/Poland also is different. England started 85% of the fights which happened during that day, night before and night after the match. Poles stood up and we're gonna be bullied by Brits, and they responded. Blame the Brits first, then blame us. Then i would agree with you. If someone on the road hit me from behind out of the blue, i would fight back. And if i saw a stick on the ground i would pick it up. And theres nothing wrong with that, i would be only protecting my self. Same happened in Warsaw in 99.

[RhinosBoy21]

Originally posted by BrianCappellieri

People who are members of UK firms and Italian ultras groups have created a culture and way of life. Polish hooligans I'm not so sure about...

Explain this. I am missing something. Maybe your racist against Poles?

[BrianCappellieri]

Explain what? Your reading comprehension must be very poor.

I'm not racist against anyone. I even said in the above post that I had Polish friends.

And I'm sorry if I angered you but I hate to tell you that the majority of hooligans EVERYWHERE are racist. Remember, I said the majority not every single group or every single person. If you don't at least agree with that it proves to me you know nothing.

[RhinosBoy21]

I dont see the difference between Polish hools, Italian or English. They created culture by... kicking the sh!t out of other supporters? By throwing rocks into team bus holding players (Lazio)? By killing people? I see man, so what your saying is Poles need to be more hardcore to "have culture"?