Sevilla Fears Time Travel of English fans

[cdmphy]

Have they read anything about English football support since the 80's? And expect heavy-handed tactics by the police.

Source: The Guardian

Seville fear crowd trouble could erupt before their Uefa Cup quarter-final encounter next week and plan to section Tottenham supporters away from the city centre.

The Spanish club are unhappy that Uefa refused to change the April 5 date of the game as it clashes with a major religious holiday in Spain. There are huge celebrations planned throughout the week and the city's entire police force will be utilised to control the event.

Over 4,000 Tottenham fans are expected to make the trip to Southern Spain, but will face difficulties as soon as they arrive in Seville as the authorities do not want them assembling in the centre.

Seville's mayor Alfredo Sanchez Monteseirin has already met local security forces and is praying that Tottenham fans do not interfere with their celebrations. Monteseirin said: "Uefa is asking for a massive effort from us and to the best of our ability we will fit in with this type of event."

The local government in Seville have experience of controlling mass events on Maundy Thursday, but have never had to marshal a big football game on the same day before.

They are pleading with local citizens to be tolerant towards the visiting English fans and hope there will not be any major incidents.

Local councillor Juan Jose Lopez Garzon said: "We have asked for courtesy from the Sevillians and that they stay tolerant because they like to stay out late and are not especially silent. As much as it is humanly possible, we will collaborate in an effective and positive way so that everything goes well."

Tottenham are also taking extra steps to ensure their fans are fully briefed before they travel to Spain and are hopeful they will respect the festival taking place in Seville.

A Tottenham spokesman said: "We shall be issuing advice and information to our fans regarding arrangements in Seville and shall be asking them to respect the significance of this festival. As always we urge only those supporters with tickets to travel to Seville."

[DigitalTron]

LOL, what's next ... are they going to section off the nuns for fear that they'll be throwing molotov cocktails? Sheesh, some fears never go away I guess.

That's fine, perhaps when the Sevilla fans reach London we should have them followed by the SAS ... you know ... just in case.

-Digital

[soccernutter]

On one had, yes this is not a generous sign. But on the other hand, they are very serious about their religious festival and don't want it to be interupted...by anything. Consider that they wanted to have the match moved. I don't think there is anything to get a twist about.

[pookspur]

if i were to guess, i'd suspect not that they're worried about 80s-type hooligan behavior, but of typical contemporary football fan behavior (just being loud, and drawing attention to themselves) - which would be fine at any other time, but will be perceived as being disrespectful during these particular festivities.

i just kind of have a feeling that the fans might feel that they're behaving in a perfectly respectable manner; but may not be perceived as doing so by the natives; which could make things ripe for escalation.

of course, if having the boys out for a couple of pints and a bit of song is that great an affront, sevilla could always forfeit.

[Danners9]

Spanish police are tough, they don't take no shit yo' so everyone better be on best behaviour because the coppers will be itching to smash some supporters.

[DaeHaMinGuk]

The way the thread is titled made it sound like English fans take a ride in Doc Brown's Delorean time machine.

[Solo Sevilla]

On one had, yes this is not a generous sign. But on the other hand, they are very serious about their religious festival and don't want it to be interupted...by anything. Consider that they wanted to have the match moved. I don't think there is anything to get a twist about.

That's exactly it.

[Malkamus]

Any funny Spanish tabloid media headlines on this?

'UEFA defies God'

'Pope and UEFA clash'

'English Jews on Seville football piss-up defile Catholic Holyday, pogrom insues'

Just watch Spurs getting fined more for a couple drunk fans than Spain gets fined for their Nazis saluting fans at the England Spain friendly a year or so ago.

[hasan1903]

you have to admit, the english fans that go abroad do cause trouble, i mean why is it allways a question mark when it's English fans

because lots of teams fans are the same. M'brough in Rome, West Ham fans in Palermo, English National teams fans in every country they go to etc.
i think we can all add more incidents, so the english fans have a bad reputation.
ofcourse there are many fans that just want to support their team, but i think the main problem with English fans, is that they don't respect the people and the country that they go to.

[sendorange]

because lots of teams fans are the same. M'brough in Rome, West Ham fans in Palermo, English National teams fans in every country they go to etc.
i think we can all add more incidents, so the english fans have a bad reputation.
ofcourse there are many fans that just want to support their team, but i think the main problem with English fans, is that they don't respect the people and the country that they go to.
There are trouble makers, although in those two incidents - West Ham and Boro they were both attacked by Italian Ultras. It was Middlesborough fans who were stabbed, not Roma fans. Unless you suggest those Boro fans somehow smuggled knives into Italy and then fell on them in a bizarre hooligan self-harm ritual.

Quite often these days foreign hooligans like to start trouble against English fans, to try and make a name for themselves as being hard cases.

[Danners9]

What biased rubbish. Grow a brain and come back with a proper comment.

Did a policeman die at an English game this year? No, Italian league game.
Dutch derbies, eastern european games, galatasaray fans stabbing and killing leeds fans. English fans are by no means the worst.

The Roma game tonight shows the police ONLY in the man utd section, the roma fans rushing at them and throwing things, the man utd fans throwing it back and being battered by the police.

I think the main problem is the image of english fans from the 1980s, so when they travel abroad the police treat them as thugs and the foreign fans try and "win" against the notorious english fans. A reputation that should have died out long ago.

[hasan1903]

What biased rubbish. Grow a brain and come back with a proper comment.

Did a policeman die at an English game this year? No, Italian league game.
Dutch derbies, eastern european games, galatasaray fans stabbing and killing leeds fans. English fans are by no means the worst.

The Roma game tonight shows the police ONLY in the man utd section, the roma fans rushing at them and throwing things, the man utd fans throwing it back and being battered by the police.

I think the main problem is the image of english fans from the 1980s, so when they travel abroad the police treat them as thugs and the foreign fans try and "win" against the notorious english fans. A reputation that should have died out long ago.
don't get me started on that Leeds incident.

the police is allways bad to away fans, and if you look in most eastern countries, the police is only in the away stands. it might be a suprise to you, because in your country all the stadiums are like 5 star hotels, no atmosfer. But in reality the police is allways bad to away fans. so don't start saying it is just done to english fans

where ever english fans go there is trouble, because of the english fans attitude, they don't respect the other country.

like i said before i don't mean all english fans, but in the lot that go to away games, many of them are drunk. well drunk people act stupid, so it shouldn't be a suprise when there are fights.

Liverpool fans cane to Turkey for Milan match and Galatasaray match, and in both matches there was very friendly seens.
before and after milan game all the liverpool fans were together with the Turkish people and there was not even a normal 1 to 1 daily fight, before the L'pool - Gs match both teams fans had a meal together. see when the english fans act good there is no trouble

same example can be given for Beşiktaş - Tottenham game, there was no fight, no wearing, nothing. Why, because the Tottenham fans didn't go into the center of istanbul in the middle of the night, get drunk and cause trouble, they came nicely and went nicely, then in forums said how good Beşiktaş fans were.

see this is what i'm trying to say, as long as the english fans don't drink to much, i know it might sound funny, but that is the main reason of these fights, your lot get drunk, then start swearing or just beeing too loud in the middle of the night and ofcourse then there is fights.

like i said Liverpool and Tottenham fans came nicely, were welcomed nicely and went back home nicely. But i can't say the same for other english fans

[Danners9]

It isn't just the fans though, it's the fear of the fans coming.. views that you have expressed here simply aren't true. You then have robocop style weapons and armour for the police and they are just itching to batter some english "thugs". Today the guys were trying to get out of the area and were being smacked around for their efforts.

Police have a lot to answer for, there's no reason why anyone should come away from watching a game with a broken arm - and several will tonight/tomorrow.

[Malkamus]

In addressing the consistently horrible Italian fans/police/stadiums I rarely see mentioned this fact:

Italian football stadiums are almost all publicly owned.

This means responsibility for security in the stadium is up to the local corrupt, incompetent city council {insert local governing body}* so you get a bit of the old 'tragedy of the commons' and plain old neglect.

The best way to fix Italian security is to sell the stadiums to the clubs for 1 Euro then tell the clubs they gotta pay the insurance premium with no subsidies from the government -- something tells me the security mess would get cleaned up right quick once they got the first bill for a couple billion Euro.

Obviously this will never happen.

And UEFA should hold the Italians to account and ban them from Europe for a couple years, they add little to the game, Gabriel Marcotti be damned.

Obviously this will never happen.

*In my experience most city governments are corrupt and incompetent, not just Italian ones.

[hasan1903]

Police have a lot to answer for, there's no reason why anyone should come away from watching a game with a broken arm - and several will tonight/tomorrow.
i agree with that. What i don't agree with, is that when it happens to english fans everybody talks about it, english papers have it headlines etc.
but in Croatia, Serbia, Turkey, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria etc. this happens every match. Why do you think A.C.A.B was started from east europe countries and not England, because in England nothing like that happens and thats why when it happens to you in other countries yopu think it's dome specially to you. But that isn't true, in the countries i mentioned, every week there is trouble with the police.
you have probebly never even seen peper gas at a football stadium, none of you probebly have, but in our countries in every match there are peper gas spreyed by the police, then they just start hitting you with their sticks. But bcoz most of English people, don't know anything about these eastern countries, they allways think it's just done to them and nobody else.

[Danners9]

Right.. well it's wrong it happens in other countries too and because it doesn't happen in this country that is why there is such an outcry when it happens to 'our' supporters going abroad.

The Rangers fans in Spain a few weeks ago, the Man Utd fans in France before and now last night.

Our police don't do that, and some fans don't realise that the others do. When i've been to Spain i've been warned to stay away from the police if you see them because will batter you for no reason and instead of arresting you (like they would here) they just leave you on the floor with blood pouring from somewhere.

Malkamus is right about the Italian way of things, city controlled stadiums, city police as security etc.. instead of here where most of the clubs will own their stadium and appoint their own security team and methods.

[Malkamus]

i agree with that. What i don't agree with, is that when it happens to english fans everybody talks about it, english papers have it headlines etc.
but in Croatia, Serbia, Turkey, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria etc. this happens every match. Why do you think A.C.A.B was started from east europe countries and not England, because in England nothing like that happens and thats why when it happens to you in other countries yopu think it's dome specially to you. But that isn't true, in the countries i mentioned, every week there is trouble with the police.
you have probebly never even seen peper gas at a football stadium, none of you probebly have, but in our countries in every match there are peper gas spreyed by the police, then they just start hitting you with their sticks. But bcoz most of English people, don't know anything about these eastern countries, they allways think it's just done to them and nobody else.

The countries you list are 3rd world backwaters* recovering from war, civil war, dictatorship (or all three), are developing economies, etc. -- whats Italy's excuse?

*no offense intended -- I've had nothing but brilliant times many third world backwaters like Bulgaria, Croatia, Canada ;) , etc.

[Spur_Forever]

The countries you list are 3rd world backwaters* recovering from war, civil war, dictatorship (or all three), are developing economies, etc. -- whats Italy's excuse?
Come on, now. Everyone knows that Italy is the India of Europe. Chaos, corruption, disorganization, incompetance. As a civilization, they peaked millenia ago and it's been downhill since then.

[Danners9]

Crowd trouble broke out during Thursday night's Uefa Cup quarter-final first leg between Sevilla and Tottenham.

Riot police were needed to separate both sets of supporters outside the Primer Liga club's ground prior to kick-off.

And, less than half an hour into the game, trouble erupted in the enclosure housing the 4,000 Spurs supporters.

The disturbances appeared to be dying down when Alexander Kerzhakov headed the Spanish side into a 36th-minute lead.

The goal did little for the mood of the Tottenham fans, and more riot police were drafted into the stadium in a bid to bring the situation under control.

The disturbances were in the corner of the stadium where the Spurs fans were located, with riot police entering the section.

Seats and punches were thrown as the Spurs fans clashed with the police during the first half.

The trouble continued into the half-time interval at the Ramon Sanchez Pizjuan Stadium.

Around 15-20 riot police moved in as more seats - and punches - were thrown.

Things settled down following the departure of the riot police from the Spurs enclosure at the start of the second half.

Although this meant there was little segregation between the two sets of supporters, there was no repeat of the violent scenes as fans focused on the action.

Daniel Wynne of Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust, who was among the Spurs fans at the game, told Sky Sports News: "After the equaliser, we saw there was a bit of animosity down in the lower tier.

"Police started throwing their weight around, for want of a better term.

"The supporters were trying to calm things down but it looked like the Spanish police, from where we were, started jabbing at them with batons."





and on Sky Sports news they are showing a Spurs fan in a wheelchair being battered by the police, and a 17 yr old girl with a cut across her face.

Tottenham stewards who were calming the incident to get the police involved, he was saying when they scored the pen a few Spurs fans were shouting at the ref on the pitch and the coppers got stuck in when the stewards had it under control and ignored them.

[DEATH4NOREASON]

why dont English football fans ship knives ,clubs, batons down to where ever they are playing before hands like 1,000 or so bats to even the score a bit.I am sure they brits couldnt compete with the ulrtas then