Failure to Signal Indirect

[HeadHunter]

Tie game less than three minutes remaining, defender essentially ends up on top of the ball- clearly playing in a dangerous manner (no way it could have been any other kind of foul) and preventing the attacker from playing the ball about five yards out from the 18.

I whistle and move slightly off the ball on a good angle. Defenders immediately run up to stand over ball so I start moving them back verbally an waving at them. While they are backing up, attacking player puts ball cleanly in the net.

Oh sh!t- I never raised my hand (at the time I thought I had- post-game discussion with my ARs told me that they never saw it) I had gotten focused on the other aspects of controlling the restart and simply failed to signal. Obviously the solution is not to make this mistake, that being said once the mistake is made what correction can you take?

Obviously the goal cannot stand, the infraction only allowed an indirect kick to be taken. However, it was my fault, not the attacking teams fault that they were unaware of the nature of the restart. It would seem that simple equity would call for a re-kick, but I couldn't and still can't reach a solution where the restart is anything other than a goal kick.

Luckily the attacking team won the ball off the goal kick and scored thirty seconds later so I escaped controversy, but it is still a good cautionary tale.

[IASocFan]

...Obviously the goal cannot stand, the infraction only allowed an indirect kick to be taken. However, it was my fault, not the attacking teams fault that they were unaware of the nature of the restart. It would seem that simple equity would call for a re-kick, but I couldn't and still can't reach a solution where the restart is anything other than a rekick.

Luckily the attacking team won the ball off the goal kick and scored thirty seconds later so I escaped controversy, but it is still a good cautionary tale.

If you couldn't reach a solution other than a re-kick, why was the defending team taking a goal kick.

I'm usually pretty careful with announcing and signalling restarts, but in your case, I would have re-done the IFK requiring them to wait for the whistle.

[HeadHunter]

If you couldn't reach a solution other than a re-kick, why was the defending team taking a goal kick.



typo see edit

[Gary V]

An indirect free kick is awarded to the attacking team outside the opponents’ penalty area. The referee fails to raise his arm to indicate that the kick is indirect and the ball is kicked directly into the goal. What action does the referee take?

He has the free kick retaken because of the referee’s mistake. The initial indirect free kick, is not nullified by the referee’s mistake.
USSF Advice to Referees 13.9 is not yet in synch with the Q&A.

[NHRef]

I whistle and move slightly off the ball on a good angle. Defenders immediately run up to stand over ball so I start moving them back verbally an waving at them. While they are backing up, attacking player puts ball cleanly in the net.


Nobody has brought this up yet, but this, I believe, is the root of the problem. Here's how I THINK this should play out, others feel free to chime in:

- make the call, which you did
- indicate location and move off, which you did
- HAND SHOULD BE UP NOW AS YOU MOVE OFF.
- Defenders runs to ball to delay, keep your hand up
- Now the options start.
- If they take the kick with no effect from defender, play on
- If they ask for space, come in, YC, formal restart
- If they take the kick and hit defender, stop, YC, restart
- Yell at defenders with hand up, to get out of there.

[refmike]

Good points but the place where this situation fell apart was when you moved into the kicking area to push the defenders back. You should have stopped the quick kick. You can't do both. It's OK to stand back, as suggested, but once you move in you can't allow the kick behind your back.

[falcon.7]

"The kick is on my whistle. Okay?"

And raise the whistle high so everyone sees it. Make sure the attackers around the ball acknowledge, then turn and set the wall.

Of course, in high school there's the possibility that the timer sees you pointing to the whistle above your head and stops the clock...

[gosellit]

Tie game less than three minutes remaining, defender essentially ends up on top of the ball- clearly playing in a dangerous manner (no way it could have been any other kind of foul) and preventing the attacker from playing the ball about five yards out from the 18.

I whistle and move slightly off the ball on a good angle. Defenders immediately run up to stand over ball so I start moving them back verbally an waving at them. While they are backing up, attacking player puts ball cleanly in the net.

Oh sh!t- I never raised my hand (at the time I thought I had- post-game discussion with my ARs told me that they never saw it) I had gotten focused on the other aspects of controlling the restart and simply failed to signal. Obviously the solution is not to make this mistake, that being said once the mistake is made what correction can you take?

Obviously the goal cannot stand, the infraction only allowed an indirect kick to be taken. However, it was my fault, not the attacking teams fault that they were unaware of the nature of the restart. It would seem that simple equity would call for a re-kick, but I couldn't and still can't reach a solution where the restart is anything other than a goal kick.

Luckily the attacking team won the ball off the goal kick and scored thirty seconds later so I escaped controversy, but it is still a good cautionary tale.

Based on what the ATR says, a goal kick would be the correct restart. Obviously, it would have been nice to have the arm up. If you were only telling the players to back off, I think you were OK allowing the quick restart.

[gosellit]

I actually had one similar last week in a high school boys match.

Ball deliberately kicked back to the GK. I am just ouside PA, GK picks up ball just inside GA. My arm goes up, then put it down, I run toward the GA, then I put my arm back up again. Attacker picks up ball, moves it back to the GA line and takes a quick kick directly into the goal. Unfortunately, a defender sticks his leg out and ball hits his leg and then goes into the goal. Good goal.

[rippingood]

What about Q&A 13.6 (mentioned above) and 13.7? Both indicate rekick...
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13.6
An indirect free kick is awarded to the attacking team outside the
opponents’ penalty area. The referee fails to raise his arm to indicate
that the kick is indirect and the ball is kicked directly into the goal.
What action does the referee take?
He has the free kick retaken because of the referee’s mistake. The
initial indirect free kick, is not nullifi ed by the referee’s mistake.
13.7. A player takes a quick free kick and the ball goes into goal. The referee
has not had the opportunity to indicate that the free kick was indirect.
What action should the referee take?
Order the kick to be retaken as the original offence only merited an
indirect free kick but the referee did not have the opportunity to give
the recognised signal.
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Shouldn't Q&A take precedence over the ATR?

[Ref Flunkie]

What about Q&A 13.6 (mentioned above) and 13.7? Both indicate rekick...
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13.6
An indirect free kick is awarded to the attacking team outside the
opponents’ penalty area. The referee fails to raise his arm to indicate
that the kick is indirect and the ball is kicked directly into the goal.
What action does the referee take?
He has the free kick retaken because of the referee’s mistake. The
initial indirect free kick, is not nullifi ed by the referee’s mistake.
13.7. A player takes a quick free kick and the ball goes into goal. The referee
has not had the opportunity to indicate that the free kick was indirect.
What action should the referee take?
Order the kick to be retaken as the original offence only merited an
indirect free kick but the referee did not have the opportunity to give
the recognised signal.
*************

Shouldn't Q&A take precedence over the ATR?


In both of those questions, it simply says the referee needs to indicate IDFK, NOT keep his arm up the entire time (true?). I know we are supposed to keep it up, but could one not argue that by running in with the arm up in the air initially indicated that it was an IDFK?

[chrisrun]

Another reason to get rid of indirect free kicks all together...

[rippingood]

well, interesting thought but not one without its own problems... would a "pass-back" that the keeper picked up become a PK?

[rippingood]

In both of those questions, it simply says the referee needs to indicate IDFK, NOT keep his arm up the entire time (true?). I know we are supposed to keep it up, but could one not argue that by running in with the arm up in the air initially indicated that it was an IDFK?

good point. 13.6 does say 'raise his arm' but doesn't say it has to stay raised - although the original question dealt with the idea that the arm was not ever raised nor was any other signal given.

[chrisrun]

well, interesting thought but not one without its own problems... would a "pass-back" that the keeper picked up become a PK?

I don't want to hijack this thread with something I talked about a while ago in another thread:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101356

My thoughts were summed up in the last post of that thread:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2266057#post2266057

[rippingood]

Thanks for the link - very appropiate in this case as I could see a hijack of this thread precisley following the linked one...

[HeadHunter]

Good points but the place where this situation fell apart was when you moved into the kicking area to push the defenders back. You should have stopped the quick kick. You can't do both. It's OK to stand back, as suggested, but once you move in you can't allow the kick behind your back.

I disagree with this- perhaps I was unclear-I was not in the process of a ceremonial restart. What I was doing was my standard procedure whether or not a team asks for ten, I verbally and with hand waving motions indicate for teh defense to give the ten. This is different from the formal setting of the wall and in my opinion the quick restart is perfectly acceptable here. Reminding the defense that they have a duty to give ten is different than a ceremonial and usually works as a preventive from the ceremonial (sometimes garners me the "ref they have to ask for the ten" which of course they don't)

[HeadHunter]

Shouldn't Q&A take precedence over the ATR?


Anybody know the answer here?

[StateRef1]

What about Q&A 13.6 (mentioned above) and 13.7? Both indicate rekick...
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13.6
An indirect free kick is awarded to the attacking team outside the
opponents’ penalty area. The referee fails to raise his arm to indicate
that the kick is indirect and the ball is kicked directly into the goal.
What action does the referee take?
He has the free kick retaken because of the referee’s mistake. The
initial indirect free kick, is not nullifi ed by the referee’s mistake.
13.7. A player takes a quick free kick and the ball goes into goal. The referee
has not had the opportunity to indicate that the free kick was indirect.
What action should the referee take?
Order the kick to be retaken as the original offence only merited an
indirect free kick but the referee did not have the opportunity to give
the recognised signal.
*************

Shouldn't Q&A take precedence over the ATR?

FYI -

Yes, FIFA Q&A does take precedent over USSF ATR if there is a "discrepancy".

[whistleblowerusa]

good point. 13.6 does say 'raise his arm' but doesn't say it has to stay raised - although the original question dealt with the idea that the arm was not ever raised nor was any other signal given.If you ever took the entry level course then you would know that the Referee must raise his arm and keep it raised until the ball is touched by another player or goes out of play. The FIFA Q&A says the Referee raises his arm, they are assuming you have taken the entry level course to become a Referee.
The Q&A would take precedence or supersede the ATR and it is stated so in the front.
USSF says a goal kick should be given in the situation. Under FIFA, it should be a re-take.