Messi vs Diego

[TKORL]

I think Messi will turn out to be better, but at the same age, Maradona had accomplished a lot more. Maradona developed much quicker than Messi, making his Argentina debut at 16 (I don't know if Messi made his u-20 debut at age 16) but Messi all of a sudden had a spurt from the ages of 17-19. They have really developed at different paces, which is normaly. It will be amuch more valid comparison 5 years from now. Do hope that Messi bulks up tho.

[Paul_NL]

I think Messi will turn out to be better, but at the same age, Maradona had accomplished a lot more. Maradona developed much quicker than Messi, making his Argentina debut at 16 (I don't know if Messi made his u-20 debut at age 16) but Messi all of a sudden had a spurt from the ages of 17-19. They have really developed at different paces, which is normaly. It will be amuch more valid comparison 5 years from now. Do hope that Messi bulks up tho.

Messi was 16 when he became world Champion and best player, Diego was 18

[lanman]

Messi was 16 when he became world Champion and best player

Go back and look at your original post and do the maths again.

[Dutch Treat]

No use in having an argument with Paul, he just sticks to his "all knowing" and "I'm can't be wrong" picture of himself. He kind of disappeared from the Dutch board, for obvious reasons. He always cracks me up, though.

Today is D-Day Paul, how are you doing? :p

[TKORL]

Messi was 16 when he became world Champion and best player, Diego was 18
If you are talking about youth level, I really don't care. It is really about senior level football.

[United_xxx]

Source: www.fairytales.com?

Nah we don't need any supporting source in this thread.

Rob Kaman vs Ramonds Dekkers who's better?

[Paul_NL]

If you are talking about youth level, I really don't care. It is really about senior level football.

One world cup appearance - zero WC appearances

[Paul_NL]

Go back and look at your original post and do the maths again.

Done and it's stil 16 and 18

[lanman]

Done and it's stil 16 and 18

Born 1987.
World Youth Cup 2005.
2005-1987=18 (he actually turned 18 in the middle of the tournament)

Might I suggest investing in this (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Back-Basics-Maths-Year-Olds/dp/1857580648/ref=sr_1_2/202-0071740-2302253?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178213404&sr=1-2)

[bosterosoy]

He already has built quite a reputation for himself on the Argentine boards. I think he thrives on being laughed at.

And by reading jsut the first 2 pages of his 'argument' I can declare that he knows absolutely nothing about what he is talking about.


Lanman way to stick it to him. Major reps.

'Oleguer is thus better than Maradona since he has won more before turning 20 than Maradona had when he turned that age'

Only a moron would decide something based on titles won. Wow, I guess then LaVolpe could be considered a better goalkeeper than Goycochea since LaVolpe won a WC title in 78 as the third string gk while Goycochea never won the World Cup :rolleyes:

[bosterosoy]

I think these are facts

Who gets tired first? Who generally has got the least physical strenght and stamina in a footy team? att midfielders ? yes.

This has to be the dumbest thing I've heard
It is a fact that attacking midfielders are the least fit on the team??
Are you kidding me?

[bosterosoy]

I agree, a good marker may do more damage than quality pressure. But todays football does not totally exclude man marking. A mixture of both (man-zonal) has been perfectionized today. I think diego would not be that flashy if he played now. His 19y old self would not be able to do what Messi is doing at Barca. Of course Argies; especially Boca fans wont agree to this, but I firmly stand by my opinion

ok :rolleyes:

Let's get this straight
Facing man-marking is a lot more difficult for players Like Messi and Maradona.
Just look at what Ronaldinho did against Chelsea last season when they man-marked him?? Absolutely nothing and they only went through because by man-marking Ronaldinho, they weren't able to man-mark Messi.

So according to Paul_NL, it is more of a feat to be an on-off starter on a top class team and win titles (sometimes playing just 7 out of 38 games) than it is to take a team that is more used to the second division and take them to second place in the entire country:eek:

Tremendous logic on your behalf Paul_NL:rolleyes:

[bosterosoy]

Messi does it with the bigest team in the world and with the best team in the world.

Most of the names mentioned were/are not game winners at 19
exactly why they didn't make the semis

also, what the hell does Atletico Bilbao results from 1983 have to do with this arguement at all?

[bosterosoy]

Back in the early 80's there was little money in Spain, now there is a lot. Back in the early 80's there were hardly any foreigners now every team has atleast 6 to 8 Internationals in there starting eleven
after reading this comment, I've decided not to waste my time readin the alst 2 pages i haven't read yet.

Tell me which teams have 6 to 8 internationals in their starting line-up in Spain??

Real Madrid, Valencia and Barcelona. Atletico Madrid perhaps (though it's pushing it).

[Paul_NL]

And by reading jsut the first 2 pages of his 'argument' I can declare that he knows absolutely nothing about what he is talking about.


Lanman way to stick it to him. Major reps.

'Oleguer is thus better than Maradona since he has won more before turning 20 than Maradona had when he turned that age'

Only a moron would decide something based on titles won. Wow, I guess then LaVolpe could be considered a better goalkeeper than Goycochea since LaVolpe won a WC title in 78 as the third string gk while Goycochea never won the World Cup :rolleyes:

You don´t know how to read

[Me+11]

I think the comparison shouldn't be make at all.. Facts and opinions all have mix up.. Everybody 'knows' football more than others..

Messi is Present and Maradona is Past.. So, based on my logic:

Main ()
Begin
If Past = Great then
Go to Legend ()
Else Now = Great then
Go To Promised ()
End if
Facts = Interprete by Opinions
Result = Randoms AND Infinite
End

Function Legend ()
Begin
If Aged =< 19 then
People NOT EQUAL to peak time
Archivement != Different time AND League
End

Function Promised ()
Begin
Go To Wait ()
End

Get my logic??? :D darn.. I'm so bored right now..

The truth is I hate this arguement.. I like both Maradona and Messi and I don't care who is better than who.. Is it important? Maradona say Messi is great and Messi said Maradona is irreplaceable.. Oh.. Life is beautiful..

[Pecho Frio]

This has to be the dumbest thing I've heard
It is a fact that attacking midfielders are the least fit on the team??
Are you kidding me?

Well sometimes we need to act polite, use euphemisms in order to stay civilized. Keep that in mind, be civilized. I know that being a part of Boca
and being civilized are very hard to achieve together. But just try and make the effort. You will thank me in the future.

Secondly; classic no 10 players like Hagi, Maradona, Messi do not / did not have a good level of stamina. The classic no 10 may not carry the needed effort and work level as a defender-def. midfielder- libero-winger-back- forward. And that level of fitness is not very important for the attacking midfielder if he got the right skills. An unfit defender deserves second division. An unfit defensive midfielder deserves third division. An unfit attacking midfield can be WORLD CLASS. ( here unfit is used as in "the least fit" )

Hope you understood that now. I do not know what else I can do for you to understand this basic football knowledge.

[Paul_NL]

after reading this comment, I've decided not to waste my time readin the alst 2 pages i haven't read yet.

Tell me which teams have 6 to 8 internationals in their starting line-up in Spain??

Real Madrid, Valencia and Barcelona. Atletico Madrid perhaps (though it's pushing it).

Every team besides maybe Bilbao and some bottom teams

[Paul_NL]

exactly why they didn't make the semis

also, what the hell does Atletico Bilbao results from 1983 have to do with this arguement at all?

It´s Atlethic and read the argument again maybe you will then understand it

[bosterosoy]

The only thing I see here is hat you consider playing a minor role in a CL team at age 19 is better than having scored 100+ goals at the age 19