Messi vs Diego

[lanman]

Which arguments?

That Messi aged 19 was better than a similar aged Maradona.
That Messi playing 40 games is equivilent to Maradona playing 150+
That you "know soccer"
That Messi playing bit part roles in 3 trophiy wins is important, but Oleguer playing a more important role is not.
That Matthews and Finney were not great players because they won very little.
That no player other than Messi is/was a game winner for their club as a teenager.

[lanman]

I know

So therefore you will know that what you claim for Messi also applies to a number of other players and that it is not a unique achievement for a teenager to be a match winner.

[Paul_NL]

So therefore you will know that what you claim for Messi also applies to a number of other players and that it is not a unique achievement for a teenager to be a match winner.

If you compare them what they have archived untill they are 20 you could be right

[Paul_NL]

That Messi aged 19 was better than a similar aged Maradona. Fact
That Messi playing 40 games is equivilent to Maradona playing 150+ Fact
That you "know soccer" Fact
That Messi playing bit part roles in 3 trophiy wins is important, but Oleguer playing a more important role is not. Argument by a moron
That Matthews and Finney were not great players because they won very little.Learn to read. Start with the first posting in this topic
That no player other than Messi is/was a game winner for their club as a teenager. I never stated that

Paul

[lanman]

Fact

You seem to be confusing 'Fact' with 'Opinion'. Moreso, with opinion that has been coherently and comprehensively argued against and against which counter-arguements you have provided nothing to back up your original claim.

Argument by a moron

It's your arguement. How difficult is it to understand that if you claim credit for Messi for those trophies, then other players must also gain credit for them?

Learn to read. Start with the first posting in this topic

Your words - "They were not then". Maybe you should start looking at what you have posted here.

I never stated that

No - you just ignored the fact that there are plenty of players over the past few years who have been in the same position. You are claiming that being a teenager who plays an important role for his team is something rare. (your words being "How many players who are not yet 20 are starters and game-winners for any major European team?"). My response was to list a number of players who either are or have been recently in the same position. The situation does not make Messi stand out from any number of other recent players. You could certainly make a very good case for Fabregas playing a much more prominant role than Messi over the past few seasons.

[Paul_NL]

You seem to be confusing 'Fact' with 'Opinion'. Moreso, with opinion that has been coherently and comprehensively argued against and against which counter-arguements you have provided nothing to back up your original claim.



It's your arguement. How difficult is it to understand that if you claim credit for Messi for those trophies, then other players must also gain credit for them?



Your words - "They were not then". Maybe you should start looking at what you have posted here.



No - you just ignored the fact that there are plenty of players over the past few years who have been in the same position. You are claiming that being a teenager who plays an important role for his team is something rare. (your words being "How many players who are not yet 20 are starters and game-winners for any major European team?"). My response was to list a number of players who either are or have been recently in the same position. The situation does not make Messi stand out from any number of other recent players. You could certainly make a very good case for Fabregas playing a much more prominant role than Messi over the past few seasons.

You posted a bogus list.

[Paul_NL]

You seem to be confusing 'Fact' with 'Opinion'. Moreso, with opinion that has been coherently and comprehensively argued against and against which counter-arguements you have provided nothing to back up your original claim.

It's still a fact


It's your arguement. How difficult is it to understand that if you claim credit for Messi for those trophies, then other players must also gain credit for them?

You dont get it do you? If I want to talk to retards I go somewhere else

Your words - "They were not then". Maybe you should start looking at what you have posted here.

Read the argument and try to understand it. I believe in you, you can do it

No - you just ignored the fact that there are plenty of players over the past few years who have been in the same position. You are claiming that being a teenager who plays an important role for his team is something rare. (your words being "How many players who are not yet 20 are starters and game-winners for any major European team?"). My response was to list a number of players who either are or have been recently in the same position. The situation does not make Messi stand out from any number of other recent players. You could certainly make a very good case for Fabregas playing a much more prominant role than Messi over the past few seasons.

You posted a bogus list.



Paul

[lanman]

It's still a fact

No it's not. If you repeat "2+2=5" enough times it still does not make it correct.

You dont get it do you? If I want to talk to retards I go somewhere else

So now we are resorting to personal attacks simply because you're arguement is now being used against you. Pathetic.

Read the argument and try to understand it. I believe in you, you can do it

I understand the argument fine. I asked if Finney and Matthews were still great players as they won very little. You then said they were not then. The only thing I am struggling to understand is where you're confusion comes from.

You posted a bogus list

????

All I did was simply post a list of recent players who have played key match winning roles as teenagers. Sorry if this is something that doesn't fit in with your view of things.

[Paul_NL]

No it's not. If you repeat "2+2=5" enough times it still does not make it correct.



So now we are resorting to personal attacks simply because you're arguement is now being used against you. Pathetic.

I explain why I won't respond to your argument

I understand the argument fine. I asked if Finney and Matthews were still great players as they won very little. You then said they were not then. The only thing I am struggling to understand is where you're confusion comes from.

R E A D

????

All I did was simply post a list of recent players who have played key match winning roles as teenagers. Sorry if this is something that doesn't fit in with your view of things.

Some are, most are not


Paul

[comme]

If I want to talk to retards I go somewhere else


I would imagine a room with a mirror would be your best bet.

[argentine soccer fan]

Here is a good compilation of Diego's early days in Argentina:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ntf1sWNoG08

[Paul_NL]

Watch the defending. It was a joke and it shows Pecho Frio is right

[lanman]

Looking at the video below, it is obvious the the modern goalkeeper is a complete liability and therefore we can discount the abilities of any modern goalscorers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_w_KLagZjY


It's easy to be selective to prove a point.

[|PAtrick|]

awesome video! Lol!:)

[Tony Dellbird]

This is such a retarded thread.

[Paul_NL]

http://baqu.neostrada.pl/WWW.FCBARCA.COM/getafe/2-0messi.avi

Messi at 19, Diego at 26

[Ronaldinho11]

Why is Messi above Diego? Because he plays for Barcelona? I don't think so. Both a world class players but Diego has far more experience and is more consistent.The only thing Messi has an advantage is his pace.

LOL, they're talking about Diego Maradona... not Diego from Werder Bremen genius.

[pippomo]

Yes, lets compare the defending. If you think there was no defending in the 80's you don't know football. Some of the all-time great defenders played in that era. In fact, football has overall become more wide open since 1990. The scoring averages have gone up.

And, thanks to refs protecting the skill players today, it is unlikely that Messi will ever have to deal with a player like Claudio Gentile. Or like the butcher Goeycoechea, who purposely injured Maradona and almost ended his career. Nowadays, those type of players would get red carded every match, so they'd have to change their game.

Diego's amazing comeback from that horrible injury that shattered his leg is one of the many ways he proved his greatness. I hope Messi never has to go through that kind of ordeal.
You're right. I miss that era. In Italy Maradona had trouble each game also against teams very low in the standings. And I think it was the same in his early years in Argentina were the difenders were just as hard as in Italy.

And P.s.: nobody since he left has been as good as Maradona. Absolutely the best player of modern football ( =since Ajax ). I think nobody came even close or is even close now.

[United_xxx]

Messi is better.

One simple reason: Just compare the quality of defending in MAra's and Messi's era. Before 1990 teams could not defend. Defenders lacked physical strenght and zonal marking mentalities.

Now this is not the case. Defenders are faster, stronger, more intelligent, better at any type of marking and on defending set pieces.

Considering this, and observing Messi and Mara's stats along with their football, its pretty obvious to remark Messi's superiority.

Roby Baggio once interviewed that playing in this era, this so-called modern football (1994 onwards), is much more simpler than in 80's and that's one of the reasons why he can excel till his retirement in 2002.

PS. I can't believe that I wasted my time replying this. :D

[Paul_NL]

Roby Baggio once interviewed that playing in this era, this so-called modern football (1994 onwards), is much more simpler than in 80's and that's one of the reasons why he can excel till his retirement in 2002.

PS. I can't believe that I wasted my time replying this. :D

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