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Football_Legend
22 Mar 2007, 01:01 PM
Beware Myths that Tarnish "sectarian" Scots

STEVE BRUCE

TWENTY years ago, I published the first serious social-science study of sectarianism in Scotland, called "No Pope of Rome". Last year, with three colleagues, I returned to the subject. We devoted much effort to measuring every index of religious disadvantage, discrimination, difference and conflict in Scotland. We looked at economic position, educational qualifications, access to higher education, political power, voting patterns, legal rights, residential segregation and sectarian violence and came to the conclusion that the best parallel for the experience of the Irish Catholic community in Scotland was not the enduring conflict of Northern Ireland but the successful integration found in the United States.

I offer two items from a large array of data to support this optimistic view.

First, social class: disadvantage is not itself proof of discrimination, but the link works in reverse - if Catholics are victimised in schooling and employment, they should have a lower class profile. What the 2001 Census shows is that there is now little difference between those raised as Catholics and those raised as Protestants. The group with the worst class profile is that of those raised with no religion (and, no, we have no idea why either).

Second, integration: just over half of married Catholics under 35 have non-Catholic spouses. In Northern Ireland, only 6 per cent of marriages are mixed. In the US, inter-racial marriages are also about 6 per cent. Despite segregated schooling, Scots now choose partners with no regard for religion.

Yet, the perception is different. In a recent Glasgow survey, 53 per cent said they thought employment discrimination was common, but only 1 per cent said they had suffered any (and half of those were not Catholic).

One explanation for this paradox may be mistaken baseline expectations. One person said her firm discriminated against Catholics because only three out of ten people were Catholic. Because we talk about the Catholic Church and the Kirk, Catholic schools and state schools, and Rangers and Celtic as matching pairs, it is possible to suppose that half of Glaswegians are Catholic and, hence, only three Catholics in ten people needs explaining. Actually, three in ten is a slight over-representation, because Catholics make up only 25 per cent of lowlands Scots.

We see the same paradox with violence. Two-thirds of the Glasgow survey said sectarian violence was common or very common, but less than 1 per cent had suffered any. When those who had suffered various forms of abuse were asked the reasons, it turned out that most violence was domestic. Residential area was much more commonly cited than religion, as were gender and sexuality. So, again, we have a mismatch. People think something is widespread but somehow they have not experienced it.

This is what I mean by a social myth. How do we explain it? A large part of the answer is that opinion-leaders such as politicians and the mass media believe that sectarianism is a major problem and that belief distorts their perceptions.

I will cite just two examples. Since June 2003, it has been possible for a criminal offence to be "aggravated" by religious prejudice. A mugger can now be hit with a second charge if he calls his victim "a Proddie b******". Last November, the Crown Office and the Procurator Fiscal Service released their analysis of the first six months of the new system. The Daily Telegraph was typical in leading with "Catholics are twice as likely as Protestants to be the targets of sectarian abuse". What was not stressed in the reporting was that, in more than 90 per cent of cases, the original offence was breach of the peace, not murder, robbery or assault. More than a third of the victims were police officers, not civilians, and more than half the perpetrators were drunk. More than a third of cases were associated with football matches or Orange marches. And the sectarian abuse was verbal.

This is not Nazis wrecking Jewish shops: it is young drunks ranting at coppers and others who get in the way of their inalienable right to get drunk and disorderly.

What was striking about this episode was that the Crown Office (aided by uncritical reporting) created an entirely false impression of Catholics as victims. The perpetrators do not know the religion of their victims and nor do we. What we know is the content of the verbal abuse. It tells us about the identity of the abuser, not the abused. Two-thirds of the perpetrators expressed anti-Catholic sentiments; one-third expressed anti-Protestant sentiments. If the drunken hooligans of Glasgow divide two-thirds Protestant and one-third Catholic, that is about par for the area. Incivility is evenly distributed.

Second case: last November, the Sunday Mail reported the burning down of a Catholic chapel in Stornoway under the banner headline "Real toll of Old Firm mayhem". The police later announced that the fire was caused by an electrical fault and that no crime was suspected, but that fact did not get the banner-headline treatment. Thus are myths sustained.


• Steve Bruce is professor of sociology at Aberdeen University.

Gordon EF
22 Mar 2007, 01:22 PM
It's hardly great news for Rangers and Celtic that they are not simply mirroring Scottish society but are one of the last places where sectarianism actually exists in Scotland.

CeltTexan
28 Mar 2007, 03:35 PM
At least the politicians haven't stepped in to change the Football Clubs name and crest.

In Texas, our history was found "offensive" to a politician and she ran with it on a Rangers vs Celtic type of 1800's holdover. Thus our Houston club had to change our name and crest.

Better to be hated for who you are then loved for who you are not!

luciusmagister
28 Mar 2007, 03:39 PM
At least the politicians haven't stepped in to change the Football Clubs name and crest.

In Texas, our history was found "offensive" to a politician and she ran with it on a Rangers vs Celtic type of 1800's holdover. Thus our Houston club had to change our name and crest.

Better to be hated for who you are then loved for who you are not!
I thought the orginal name was alright but WTF is Dynamo all about....are there a lot of people from E. Europe that live in Texas or something????

CeltTexan
28 Mar 2007, 03:53 PM
Naw, Houston back in the late 1800's ahd one of the first Dynamo electric power converters...actually ran the city's lights up till the Depression era of the 1930's.

Not to mention that we did have a minor league club in the mid 80's that was the Houston DynamoS (plural). So after the communist intervention to rewrite Texas Independence from Santa Anna was shoved down our collective throats, the Billionaire owner just tucked tail and picked the quickest and easiest name that would work.

Quick question, I don't know if you are Scottish or the like but out of the 189 men that got wiped out at the Alamo in the Spring of 1836, do Scottish, Irish or British school books teach to young kids over there about the "Irish 12" that died at the Alamo in Texas???

4 Scots gave their lives there as well. 9 or 10 Englishmen IIRC. Even one or two gents from Wales perished for us.

If you go to the Alamo in San Antonio, a tourist can see the multiple nations flags inside the grounds.

Jamooky
31 Mar 2007, 08:48 AM
Naw, Houston back in the late 1800's ahd one of the first Dynamo electric power converters...actually ran the city's lights up till the Depression era of the 1930's.

Not to mention that we did have a minor league club in the mid 80's that was the Houston DynamoS (plural). So after the communist intervention to rewrite Texas Independence from Santa Anna was shoved down our collective throats, the Billionaire owner just tucked tail and picked the quickest and easiest name that would work.

Quick question, I don't know if you are Scottish or the like but out of the 189 men that got wiped out at the Alamo in the Spring of 1836, do Scottish, Irish or British school books teach to young kids over there about the "Irish 12" that died at the Alamo in Texas???

4 Scots gave their lives there as well. 9 or 10 Englishmen IIRC. Even one or two gents from Wales perished for us.

If you go to the Alamo in San Antonio, a tourist can see the multiple nations flags inside the grounds.

I was surprised to find in Edinburgh a statue of Abraham Lincoln that was meant to commemorate Scottish-American soldiers. I dont know if that answers your question or not :)

nach0king
31 Mar 2007, 12:13 PM
At least the politicians haven't stepped in to change the Football Clubs name and crest.

In Texas, our history was found "offensive" to a politician and she ran with it on a Rangers vs Celtic type of 1800's holdover. Thus our Houston club had to change our name and crest.

Better to be hated for who you are then loved for who you are not!

What's offensive about the San Jose Earthquakes?

'Chopper'
02 Apr 2007, 07:56 AM
Didn't know about the Jocks at the Alamo but thanks for the education. I don't think Scots kids learn much about American history, probably just a little about throwing tea in the harbour (sorry, harbor)!

Interesting if a bit off topic, sorry:

RICHARD W BALLENTINE, was born in Scotland in 1814. He travelled to Texas from Alabama aboard the Santiago and disembarked on December 9, 1835. He and the other passengers signed a statement declaring, "We have left every endearment at our respective places of abode in the United States of America, to maintain and defend our brethren, at the peril of our lives, liberties and fortunes."

JOHN MCGREGOR was born in Scotland in 1808 and lived in 1836 in Nacogdoches, Texas. He took part in the siege of Bexar and later served in the Alamo garrison as a second sergeant of Capt. William R. Carey's artillery company. It is said that during the siege of the Alamo, McGregor engaged in musical duels with David Crockett, McGregor playing the bagpipes and Crockett the fiddle.

ISAAC ROBINSON was born in Scotland in 1808 and came to Texas from Louisiana. He took part in the siege of Bexar and later served in the Alamo garrison as a fourth sergeant in Capt. William R. Carey's artillery company.

DAVID L. WILSON, son of James and Susanna Wilson, was born in Scotland in 1807. In Texas he lived in Nacogdoches with his wife, Ophelia. Wilson was probably one of the volunteers who accompanied Capt. Philip Dimmitt to Bexar and the Alamo in the early months of 1836. He remained at the Alamo after Dimmitt left on the first day of the siege.