Ryan Giggs vs Luis Figo

[Mighty_Mouse]

You seem to have missed my point entirely. Let's see if you can understand this. You are a Manchester United fan and think Giggs is slightly better than Figo.

Is that simple enough?

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Yet again you have missed the fundamental point. Being a Man Utd fan and rating both highly but giving the edge to Giggs for reasons previously detailed is fine. The same could be said in reverse. That is when we get to debate the finer points and that is what the discussion was intended to be about. However, being a fan of team x and putting Figo on a pedestal but at the time time bashing anything to do with Giggs is not. It's really quite a simple concept to grasp.

[TKORL]

You seem to have missed my point entirely. Let's see if you can understand this. You are a Manchester United fan and think Giggs is slightly better than Figo.

Is that simple enough?
Teso is making sense.

He's saying Giggs has the edge, but at the same time Figo was a great as well, whereas a number of Figo supporters are ready to denigrate Giggs' accomplishments.

[Moishe]

Anyone that puts into question Figo's success and skills is pretty mindless. That being said, as I player I rate Giggs higher due to the following opinions. I've never seen Figo play with the heart Giggs does. While Figo's skills maybe be flashier I've found Giggs to be more efficient. My two biggest reasons to take Giggs over Figo is the committments he's made to club and country. Nothing against Figo but if I had to use one of the two to build my club around, I'd take Giggs hands down because he has set the higher example of leadership and proffesionalism.

[Mighty_Mouse]

Chalk one up for Figo. He was fantastic yesterday against Manchester United. Three goals with him being the center piece in their attack.

Once again, Figo edges Giggs.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Once again? Basing anything one a single game and a pre-season friendly at that is rather stupid.

[TKORL]

Figo has been excellent for Inter.

[Koby7STAR]

Right now I would say Giggs and Figo have both played equally as well this season, but in their prime, then i would go for Figo as Figo has always been an excellent dribbler and can play left or right wing and can shoot long range.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

So can Giggs.

[Mighty_Mouse]

Once again? Basing anything one a single game and a pre-season friendly at that is rather stupid.

My contribution in my last post was rather simple. Figo edged out Giggs in that game.

By the way, when was the last time Giggs had a game that was as strong as Figo's, against one of the best clubs in the world?

[dannytoone]

So can Giggs.

when was the last time Giggs played right wing?

[Teso Dos Bichos]

My contribution in my last post was rather simple. Figo edged out Giggs in that game.

By the way, when was the last time Giggs had a game that was as strong as Figo's, against one of the best clubs in the world?

As I said previously, basing any on a single game and a pre-season one at that is pointless. Your question only highlights that you watched little of Giggs last season.

when was the last time Giggs played right wing?

Last season, numerous times. He also featured centrally and as a support striker. The season before he played as a central midfielder in a 4-4-2.

[Mighty_Mouse]

Your question only highlights that you watched little of Giggs last season.

Sigh. Nope, your failure to answer only highlights that YOU haven't watched enough of Giggs last season.

Ok, so off the top of my head... maybe AC Milan 1st leg but Rooney did steal the show. I would say against Roma 2nd leg where he set up 3 or 4 but then again, it was Roma, not exactly one of the best in the world and that game was a bit of a freak show.

Other than that, he was effectively shut down against the top teams in the PL.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

So because I do not wish to trawl back through last season in order to provide you with links and proof then I am incorrect? It doesn't work that way. Giggs was individually better than Figo last season. In the CL Giggs scored more and finished top of the assist table, despite only playing 8 games. In the league he won two player of the month awards, scored more and assisted more. He was a crucial component of our side, particularly when we changed our system, and played well in numerous positions. Figo had a far superior squad and a weaker league to perform in, so why did he do so 'poorly' in comparison? No need to worry, I won't be immature enough to suggest anything like Gareth Barry > Luis Figo on the the basis on the latest game.

[Mighty_Mouse]

There are so many things wrong with your last post that I almost don't know where to begin. Player of the month awards... lol. What is the criteria/scoring system for these awards? I tell you what is clear about these awards. It's that you support them and use them in your argument because your man Giggs won 2 of them last season. Meanwhile I bet your one of the first to disregard the Fifa player of the year awards. You make me laugh. Either use awards in your arguments or don't. Most of the player awards are questionable.

As far as your weaker league argument goes... well it doesn't really go anywhere since it appears to be an ignorant statement made by a PL fanboy. Also, you can save your arguments on the issue. This kind of statement is not new to me and i'm not interested. For the record, I don't rate either league higher than the other.

Superior squad? Maybe. If you really think so then I'm sure you can answer the question about the goals and assists on your own. Also, Giggs had more time on the pitch in both the CL and the League. I don't know how much time off the top of my head but I'm willing to bet that it was significant. For Figo to be included in the Inter sqaud as much as he was throughout the year was quite the accomplishment. He had plenty of good cover for his position. Giggs had to fight for playing time with who mostly? Yes that's right, Kieran Richardson. You make this too easy. Also, it is my opinion that MU was the better "team" with better movement on and off the ball thus providing Giggs with better opportunites to showcase his talents.

Finally, if you'd like to state that Gareth Barry had a better game than Figo... please do. In fact why don't you start a thread. "Gareth Barry vs. Luis Figo". In the mean time, face the facts: Figo > Giggs last Wednesday.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

There are so many things wrong with your last post that I almost don't know where to begin. Player of the month awards... lol. What is the criteria/scoring system for these awards? I tell you what is clear about these awards. It's that you support them and use them in your argument because your man Giggs won 2 of them last season. Meanwhile I bet your one of the first to disregard the Fifa player of the year awards. You make me laugh. Either use awards in your arguments or don't. Most of the player awards are questionable.

Why did you bother then, as you have clearly not bothered to read anything I have posted thus far. I made the player of the month comment to highlight that he had played well last season. It is an important point to make as it is the first time Giggs has won any in his entire career, a laughable state of affairs I admit but it highlights that he clearly did something that merited him finally getting that award. Completely different to the popularity contest that the bigger awards are. If Figo had won similar then I'm sure you would have mentioned it. Either way, it is a tiny complaint and changes nothing if you chose to disregard it.

As far as your weaker league argument goes... well it doesn't really go anywhere since it appears to be an ignorant statement made by a PL fanboy. Also, you can save your arguments on the issue. This kind of statement is not new to me and i'm not interested. For the record, I don't rate either league higher than the other.

So I'm now ignorant and a fanboy? Great discussion we are having here. Man Utd were pushed right to very end by Chelsea. Who challenged Inter as they stumbled to the title? Exactly. Last season Serie A was a weaker league. I love Serie A but even I can admit to last season being poor.

Superior squad? Maybe. If you really think so then I'm sure you can answer the question about the goals and assists on your own. Also, Giggs had more time on the pitch in both the CL and the League. I don't know how much time off the top of my head but I'm willing to bet that it was significant. For Figo to be included in the Inter sqaud as much as he was throughout the year was quite the accomplishment. He had plenty of good cover for his position. Giggs had to fight for playing time with who mostly? Yes that's right, Kieran Richardson. You make this too easy. Also, it is my opinion that MU was the better "team" with better movement on and off the ball thus providing Giggs with better opportunites to showcase his talents.

I would argue superior squad because Inter simply had more depth and were not really required to call on it during the season. I am aware of Figo's figures from last season and that Giggs posted better but I was allowing you to make Figo's case. As for the CL, Figo played in one less game. I cannot give you time on the pitch because the official site has been updated for the new season. If you have the figures then please provide them. Regardless, Figo did not impress. Your knowledge of our squad is quite poor. Giggs had more competition for places than Figo did at Inter. I like how your defense of Figo is now centred on Man Utd having 'better movement'...

Finally, if you'd like to state that Gareth Barry had a better game than Figo... please do. In fact why don't you start a thread. "Gareth Barry vs. Luis Figo". In the mean time, face the facts: Figo > Giggs last Wednesday.

I don't need need to because I know it is both an ignorant and stupid claim. Sadly you did not.

[three lions]

Laughable banter..

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Indeed.

[SirManchester]

It's baffling how those arguing for Figo are completely looking past any logical arguments for Giggs.

[three lions]

Indeed.

Yeah, the poster's finding Inter's run to the title more testing than Manchester United's, kinda sums the credibility up...