Ryan Giggs vs Luis Figo

[Quaresma_7]

It does? I though that was more of an indication of how much of a judas he was?

sorry, had to get that out.

but he has not accomplished much more than Giggs, at all. what makes you say that?

if he was some no body then would u care if he left your team... if Beletti left would you get your panities in a bunch????

[Quaresma_7]

Figo
World player of the year
european player of the year
champions league
spanish league
spanish cup
super cup
italian league
italian cup


my point is that figo has proven himself at all levels and in different teams and different leagues

dark savante these are figos accomplishments... he was an intrecal part of a team that one each of these trophies and played an even greater role for Portugal in reaching the semi-finals of three major football competitions in a six year period (beating england each time while doing it).... but why dont you tell me why Giggs is better instead?

[schafer]

if he was some no body then would u care if he left your team... if Beletti left would you get your panities in a bunch????

He didn't call him a nobody, he called him a Judas.

Big difference.

[z187 Portugal]

obviously Man united fans or Barca fans will be biased against Figo

thats pretty much the only people who picked giggs. :rolleyes:

Ill say Figo, but obviously im Portuguese and will pick him but Id like to see what outsiders think.

[Quaresma_7]

He didn't call him a nobody, he called him a Judas.

Big difference.

what i am saying is that is ronaldinho, puyol, xavi, deco or eto'o left barca for madrid then wouldnt they all be called Judas?? but if Gerard or Belleti or others who havent made a big name for themselves left for real then people prob wouldnt care as much....and why dnt all Barca fans take a minute to think about something... he didnt leave for Madrid... he was sold for a then record fee...he left cuz ur president, directors and coach decided that they would rather have 40 million then figo...he got no one else to blame..call him Judas... but hey ur club told him to go..mayb if he took care of him better he woulda said no to the transfer neway.. but u didnt appreciate him so u lost him...no one to blame but urselves really

[schafer]

To accuse Barca fans of not appreciating Figo, after seeing the outrage when he left, is a very strong statement, IMO. Especially when as you say, it was the board and the coaches who decided to sell, not the fans.

[Quaresma_7]

To accuse Barca fans of not appreciating Figo, after seeing the outrage when he left, is a very strong statement, IMO. Especially when as you say, it was the board and the coaches who decided to sell, not the fans.

im not saying that the fans didnt appreciate him...im saying the president, board and coach didnt.... what im saying is that the player has to mean something for you to throw things at him whenever he takes a corner kick

[Dark Savante]

Figo
World player of the year - irrelvant to Giggs
european player of the year - irrelevant to Giggs

The love-in between the Spanish and Italian leagues with such titles has always meant PL players are overlooked or not even considered with only Owen breaking the mold beings as he was the sacchrine face of English footy at one time. Besides which, Figo was a far superior player whilst at Barca and yet he won it whilst just above average (for him in comparison to his Barca form) at RM. The WPOTY title hasn't been decided based on football performance alone for a long time.

champions league - Ryan Giggs has one of those too.
spanish league - Ryan Giggs has 6 more league titles than Figo
spanish cup - Ryan Giggs has 2 more 'cups' than Figo
super cup - Ryan Giggs has one of those too.
italian league - see above
italian cup - see above

Ryan Giggs also has an Intercontinental Cup

And unlike a Roque Junior, Ryan was a key component in nearly everything he has won. So in other words, at club level, Ryan Giggs' trophy haul eclipses Luis Figo's, they're not even in the same ball park. So if 'accomplishments were the be-all and end-all of such a discussion it wouldn't even get off the ground.

dark savante these are figos accomplishments... he was an intrecal part of a team that one each of these trophies
Never more integral than Ryan Giggs for his club.


and played an even greater role for Portugal in reaching the semi-finals of three major football competitions in a six year period (beating england each time while doing it)....
Irrelevant to a discussion between he and Ryan Giggs.


but why dont you tell me why Giggs is better instead?

I didn't say he was.

At base ends the premise is flawed. Why are people comparing a left winger with a right winger - it's not the same position and 'ironically' enough common consensus would have both players in a side for their era.

[Quaresma_7]

Dark Savante how are European and World Player of the Year irrelevant when judging to see who the better player is??? is it because they are only titles that show who the worlds best player is at that time???

[Teso Dos Bichos]

It is because the voting and actual awards are a complete crock. No-one takes them seriously for a very good reason.

[Quaresma_7]

It is because the voting and actual awards are a complete crock. No-one takes them seriously for a very good reason.

so know ur saying that the players who win these awards dnt deserve to win them???..how is it a complete crock neway... each nations manager and captain pick a guy from world player of the year...most votes wins.... simple.. and European PLayer of the Year is chosen by a French magazine... so him win means nothing..becuase of course Giggs is better rgith???

[Jc18star]

The awards are a crock because quite often famous players on bad form end up in the ballots on name alone, also coaches from lesser known squads tend to list players that are popular if they can't get away from listing players from their own nation. Also many of the team captians name players they are freinds with and someone from a World Cup winning squad usually tends to win often when they don't deserve it.

One only needs to look at the 02 award to Ronaldo, he was injured for the majority of 02 before the WC and even after the WC yet being top scorer on the winning side handed him the award yet Rivaldo was the best Brasilian player on the team also Roberto Carlos won the WC, the CL and I think the league that season and he was over looked while being one of the best players in the world at that point. Hype handed Ronaldo the title that year. Also Zidane won it in 03 after pretty much admitting he had an off year and that year Henry was overlooked as well and a few other deserving players. This past year was also a crock, there is no way Fabio was the world's best player in 06, Henry had much more of a case for it then as well.

It is a bit like SGA in middle school, the popular kid in class is often elected on the basis of popularity not the fact that he will be a good rep for the class.

[ForeverRed]

The awards are a crock because quite often famous players on bad form end up in the ballots on name alone, also coaches from lesser known squads tend to list players that are popular if they can't get away from listing players from their own nation. Also many of the team captians name players they are freinds with and someone from a World Cup winning squad usually tends to win often when they don't deserve it.

One only needs to look at the 02 award to Ronaldo, he was injured for the majority of 02 before the WC and even after the WC yet being top scorer on the winning side handed him the award yet Rivaldo was the best Brasilian player on the team also Roberto Carlos won the WC, the CL and I think the league that season and he was over looked while being one of the best players in the world at that point. Hype handed Ronaldo the title that year. Also Zidane won it in 03 after pretty much admitting he had an off year and that year Henry was overlooked as well and a few other deserving players. This past year was also a crock, there is no way Fabio was the world's best player in 06, Henry had much more of a case for it then as well.

It is a bit like SGA in middle school, the popular kid in class is often elected on the basis of popularity not the fact that he will be a good rep for the class.

I'm surprised people still need explaining about those BS awards.

You summed it up pretty nicely though.

[Jc18star]

I'm surprised people still need explaining about those BS awards.

You summed it up pretty nicely though.

Thanks, the only thing I forgot to add was that Requilme also would have been a better pick than Fabio and possibly a better pick than Henry as well in terms of really being the best player in the world for the 05-06 season, even though he went mental for 06-07.

Quaresma_7, IMO the last person(s) who got the WPOY and deserved it was Rivaldo then Zidane in 99 and 00 and maybe Dinho in 04. Figo was a good choice in 01 but Raul may have deserved it more then. Since then its been a joke. Look at this list of winners and runners up and see if it looks like a legit list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Player_of_the_Year

[Quaresma_7]

Thanks, the only thing I forgot to add was that Requilme also would have been a better pick than Fabio and possibly a better pick than Henry as well in terms of really being the best player in the world for the 05-06 season, even though he went mental for 06-07.

Quaresma_7, IMO the last person(s) who got the WPOY and deserved it was Rivaldo then Zidane in 99 and 00 and maybe Dinho in 04. Figo was a good choice in 01 but Raul may have deserved it more then. Since then its been a joke. Look at this list of winners and runners up and see if it looks like a legit list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Player_of_the_Year

i agree with most of them...except Ronaldinho in 04...i dnt think he should be top 3 at all... Deco shoulda one.... he did lead porto to champs league and portugal to the euro runners-up spot... or Ronaldo...i just dnt like him....

[Joep]

if he was some no body then would u care if he left your team... if Beletti left would you get your panities in a bunch????

Right. Let me say first that of course you do have a point when you say that Figo leaving to Madrid was extra painfull because he was Figo and he did mean alot to us. He would always become, and eventually did become, an all-time great winger. Losing someone like Belleti, would be less agonizing in that respect. Having said that, I would hate to see it happen.

Also, I do see how my subjectivity comes into play in this. For example, I resent Figo for what he did, yet I adore Luis Enrique for doing the exact same thing.

I have, however, tried to look at the accomplishment of Figo with the respect they deserve and concluded that I prefer a player like Giggs over him. That's all it is. That's having considered how great he is and what he meant to us Barca fans, because of the reasons I mentioned earlier.

[tehGEO]

joep i think you've made great points.

figo is and has been brilliant, no one would dispute that... but to me giggs is the prototypical winger. the best i've ever seen, he excels at any and everything you would need or want someone to do at that position. in my opinion, of course.

[Seaside Mafia]

Figo
World player of the year
european player of the year
champions league
spanish league
spanish cup
super cup
italian league
italian cup


my point is that figo has proven himself at all levels and in different teams and different leagues

I'd suggest that Gigg's has won a few things as well, as well as demonstrating tremendous loyalty.
With Manchester United (1990 - 2006)
FA Premier League - Champions (8): 1992-93, 1993-94, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03
FA Premier League - Runners Up:1994-95, 1997-98, 2005-06
FA Youth Cup Winner: 1992
FA Cup Winner (4): 1994, 1996, 1999, 2004
FA Cup Runners Up: 1995, 2005
League Cup Winner (2): 1992, 2006
League Cup Runners Up: 1994, 2003
UEFA Champions League Winner: 1998-99
Intercontinental Cup: 1999
UEFA Super Cup Winner: 1991
UEFA Super Cup Runner Up: 1999
Community Shield Winner (5): 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003
Community Shield Runner Up: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2004

[edit] Individual honours
Barclays Premiership Player of the Month for August, 2006, February 2007.
Intercontinental Cup Man of the Match (1999)
Manchester United Players Player of the Year Award 2005/2006[citation needed]
U-21 European Footballer of the Year (1993)[citation needed]
Wales Player of the Year Award 1996, 2006
Inducted into the English Football Hall of Fame 2005
Inducted into the Premiership Team of the Decade 2003[citation needed]
Inducted into the FA Challenge Cup Team of the Century 2006[citation needed]
Honored with the greatest goal ever scored in the FA Challenge Cup 1999, 2005
Only Manchester United player to have played in all 8 Premiership title winning teams.
Only Manchester United player to have played in both League Cup winning teams.

[United Pumps]

Although this is in part down to the competition for the opposing wings I would say that I'd put Giggs in a current world XI on the left whereas Figo wouldn't even get a position as janitor.

I believe that Giggs was better for the nineties but Figo became better than him in the early 2000s but a year or two ago Giggs took the lead again.

Also, international honours for best players are complete balls.

[-Offside-]

Bollocks or not Figo was the best player in 2000 and one of the best in 2001. At his best, he is better than Giggs. Those who say he didn't replicate his Barca form, are wrong. For many parts of his first seasons at RM he was instrumental to the team's succes. Of course, the same can be said about Giggs, but shining for RM was a lot harder due to the players we had back then. Real Madrid's downfall was not only due to Zidane/ Figo/RCarlos.. ageing, Maka leaving, but also due to some very poor managerial decisions, one of which was leaving Figo on the bench in favour for Beckham which is the stupidest thing i've ever seen. At Inter, personally i haven't seen many of their games, but from what i've heard, he was one of their best performers last season.
Giggs is the second best winger, i'd agree on that. But that's because of the years he stood at the top, rather than his actual play. C Ronaldo for example, plays better now than Giggs ever did IMO, problem is will he mantain his form. Giggs was consistent for much of his career though his form slowly faded since 2002.
As for honours, well couldn't care less. I judge by ability. And while one can argue about Figo being a better winger than Giggs, Figo surely was a better player, and a more important component since he could not only dribble but he could create with his crossing(best in the world), passing(second to Zidane) and vision(up there with Zidane and Becks). Giggs, while a good dribbler, and probably a better runner, was nowhere near as creative.