Premiership attendence

[TheMutts]

Rank Team Avg.
1 Man Utd 67,601
2 Newcastle 51,923
3 Liverpool 43,242
4 Chelsea 39,784
5 Sunderland 39,698
6 Leeds 39,121
7 Everton 38,480
8 Arsenal 38,041
9 Tottenham 35,897
10 Aston Villa 34,975
11 Man City 34,564
12 West Ham 34,432
13 Middlesbrough 31,025
14 Southampton 30,680
15 Birmingham 28,883
16 West Brom 26,730
17 Charlton 26,255
18 Blackburn 26,225
19 Bolton 25,016
20 Fulham 16,707

Premiership average: 35,463

what do you think?

[Pauncho]

Before we answer, could we also have the capacity for each venue, so we know how close to sellouts those numbers are?

[TheMutts]

Rank Team Avg.
1 Man Utd 67,601 - Sell out
2 Newcastle 51,923 - Sell out
3 Liverpool 43,242 - Sell out
4 Sunderland 39,671 - 2,000 under sell out
5 Chelsea 39,665 - Sell out
6 Leeds 39,060 - Sellout
7 Everton 38,387 - Sellout
8 Arsenal 38,041 - Sellout
9 Tottenham 35,889 - Sell out
10 Aston Villa 34,975 - 5,000 under sell out
11 Man City 34,542 - Sell out
12 West Ham 34,432 - Sell out
13 Middlesbrough 31,025 - Sell out
14 Southampton 30,680 - Sell out
15 Birmingham 28,848 - Sell out
16 West Brom 26,714 - Sell out
17 Charlton 26,263 - Sell out
18 Blackburn 26,225 - 3,000 under sell out
19 Bolton 24,893 - Sell out
20 Fulham 16,707 - 4,000 under sell out, not their stadium.


1,000 and under is considered a sellout.

[Albion + England]

I don't understand one thing, our average attendance at the Albion on here is more than what a sell out would be. Have you been counting the players aswell?

[Prenn]

And Bolton's is less, the capacity of the Reebook is 27,500.

[M]

Originally posted by TheMutts

Premiership average: 35,463

what do you think?

Very impressive given the growth since the Premiership began. But with Sunderland and West Ham getting relegated, it's going to be very difficult for next season's attendances to match up even with Man City moving to their new stadium. I expect Premiership attendances to be pretty flat to slightly lower until Arsenal and/or Liverpool move to their new stadia.

[Clan]

Stamford bridge is 42,500.

[kevbrunton]

In Division 1...

Leicester averaged 29,230
Wolves averaged 22,825
Portsmouth averaged 18,933
Sheffield United averaged 18,069

Sunderland (39,698), West Ham (34,432) & West Brom (26,730) are all going down.

If Wolves are promoted, that's 29,172 difference across those 3 teams which translates to a nearly 1500 drop in the overall average if they kept the same average attendance in the EPL next year. If Sheffield United are promoted, it's a 34,628 drop or over 1700 drop in overall average.

What is the capacity of the stadiums for Portsmouth, Leicester and Sheffield United / Wolverhampton? How much opportunity do they have to improve their EPL attendance over their D1 attendance?

Also, isn't something changing at Fulham? Are they going back to their own place or staying where they where they were this year 1 more year?

What is the capacity at the new Man City stadium?

[Wolves_67]

Originally posted by kevbrunton
What is the capacity of the stadiums for Portsmouth, Leicester and Sheffield United / Wolverhampton?
All your questions can be answered at this site.
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/yfh45/ground1.htm

[lanman]

I got the capacities from http://www.footballgroundguide.co.uk/. - apologies if any are not completely accurate.

Team-Attendance-Capacity-%age
1 Man Utd 67,601 67,706 99.84%
2 Newcastle 51,923 52,193 99.48%
3 Liverpool 43,242 45,362 95.33%
4 Chelsea 39,784 42,449 93.72%
5 Sunderland 39,698 48,353 82.10%
6 Leeds 39,121 40,204 97.31%
7 Everton 38,480 40,260 95.58%
8 Arsenal 38,041 38,500 98.81%
9 Tottenham 35,897 36,214 99.12%
10 Aston Villa 34,975 42,719 81.87%
11 Man City 34,564 34,996 98.77%
12 West Ham 34,432 35,647 96.59%
13 Middlesbrough 31,025 35,100 88.39%
14 Southampton 30,680 32,251 95.13%
15 Birmingham 28,883 30,200 95.64%
16 West Brom 26,730 28,003 95.45%
17 Charlton 26,255 26,500 99.08%
18 Blackburn 26,225 31,367 83.70%
19 Bolton 25,016 28,000 89.34%
20 Fulham 16,707 19,148 87.25%

[Wolves_67]

I heard this year was a "50 year record" for the league.
Any details on that? I do know it does lead Europe for attendence.

[M]

Originally posted by kevbrunton
In Division 1...

Leicester averaged 29,230
Wolves averaged 22,825
Portsmouth averaged 18,933
Sheffield United averaged 18,069

Sunderland (39,698), West Ham (34,432) & West Brom (26,730) are all going down.

If Wolves are promoted, that's 29,172 difference across those 3 teams which translates to a nearly 1500 drop in the overall average if they kept the same average attendance in the EPL next year. If Sheffield United are promoted, it's a 34,628 drop or over 1700 drop in overall average.

What is the capacity of the stadiums for Portsmouth, Leicester and Sheffield United / Wolverhampton? How much opportunity do they have to improve their EPL attendance over their D1 attendance?

Also, isn't something changing at Fulham? Are they going back to their own place or staying where they where they were this year 1 more year?

What is the capacity at the new Man City stadium?

I think we can safely say, based on past experience, that the three promoted teams will get essentially capacity crowds as their average. That'll be 19k (Portsmouth), 32k (Leicester) and either 27k or 30k (Wolves or Sheff Utd). That's either a 23k or 20k drop on the relegated clubs. Man City's new stadium holds 48k and they are almost certain to sell it out. That's a 13k increase. So taking all that lot into account leaves us with a decrease of between 350 and 500 in the overall average.

[pmufc]

I'm sure there were larger crowds before they made the stadiums all seater.

[RichardL]

Originally posted by pmufc
I'm sure there were larger crowds before they made the stadiums all seater.
10 years ago or so the average was a lot lower. Only Arsenal had a significantly larger ground without the seats.

Averages and capacities from 88-89 (Hillsborough era, before all-seater conversions took place)
Arsenal 35,610 (57,000)
Aston Villa 23,258 (46,500)
Charlton 9,419 (31,000)
Coventry 16,071 (29138)
Derby 17,714 (27,000)
Everton 27,922 (50,151)
Liverpool 38,706 (45,628)
Luton 9,350 (14,273)
Man Utd 36,473 (56,385)
Middlesbrough 19,985 (30,000)
Millwall 15,370 (25,850)
Newcastle 22,821 (36,581)
Norwich 16,783 (26,281)
Nottm Forest 20,785 (35,509)
QPR 12,355 (27,500)
Sheff Weds 20,037 (54,101)
Southampton 15,583 (25,000)
Spurs 24,469 (38,082)
West Ham 20,743 (35,500)
Wimbledon 7,768 (16,000)

[Captain Splarg]

Originally posted by RichardL
Wimbledon 7,768 (16,000)


I bet they wish they could get 7k people now.....

[CrewToon]

Originally posted by RichardL
10 years ago or so the average was a lot lower. Only Arsenal had a significantly larger ground without the seats.

Averages and capacities from 88-89 (Hillsborough era, before all-seater conversions took place)
Arsenal 35,610 (57,000)
Aston Villa 23,258 (46,500)
Charlton 9,419 (31,000)
Coventry 16,071 (29138)
Derby 17,714 (27,000)
Everton 27,922 (50,151)
Liverpool 38,706 (45,628)
Luton 9,350 (14,273)
Man Utd 36,473 (56,385)
Middlesbrough 19,985 (30,000)
Millwall 15,370 (25,850)
Newcastle 22,821 (36,581)
Norwich 16,783 (26,281)
Nottm Forest 20,785 (35,509)
QPR 12,355 (27,500)
Sheff Weds 20,037 (54,101)
Southampton 15,583 (25,000)
Spurs 24,469 (38,082)
West Ham 20,743 (35,500)
Wimbledon 7,768 (16,000)


57,000 at Arsenal? :eek:

Does that mean that no one sat at Highbury?

[Pauncho]

We have now identified that the EPL is pretty much like the NFL - the only tickets available to ordinary people (those without connections) through legitimate channels on a single-game basis are the worst seats to the worst matches involving the worst sides.

Furthermore, I'll betcha the EPL view on this is pretty much the same as the NFL's - that scarcity intensifies demand.

[Sparks]

Attendances are really good these days. Places like Blackburn and Bolton are only small but they can still bring in 25,000 a week.
Newcastle for the size of the city bring in alot of people.
It only has a population of 180,000 but they bring in 52,000 almost every week.

[Prenn]

Originally posted by Sparks
Attendances are really good these days. Places like Blackburn and Bolton are only small but they can still bring in 25,000 a week.
Newcastle for the size of the city bring in alot of people.
It only has a population of 180,000 but they bring in 52,000 almost every week.

Umm...

'small' Bolton has a population of 300,000, it's the largest town in Europe. The problem is we've got Liverpool and Everton 25 miles south west, Manchester United and Manchester City 10 miles south east and Blackburn 15 miles north. Can you say competition?

[maloner]

Teams like Bolton that have other teams right next to them due face stiff competition {even worse if the team next door is better}.