Australian WC bid???

[Korea_Fighting]

- Both Korea and Japan qualified for World Cup scence recently
- Both Korea and Japan built about 18 NEW stadia. Korea built TEN NEW stadia out of which are 8 SOCCER-ONLY STADIA. Japan to a lesser degree.
- I would think all three countries have economic capability to host World Cup, BUT I don't think Australian economy can handle building at new venues. I mean, are you seriously thinking to get away with using cricket grounds for soccer World Cup???
- Footballing market in Korea and Japan are significantly larger than Australia.
- Asian federation is significantly more influential than OFC.
- Korea has 'rich' footballing history in WC scene. Australia... well...
- Japan has economic power that is top two in the World. Australia is developed country but compared to Japan in terms of economic influence... well?

I think if Australia ever gets to host the World Cup it won't be at 2.0.1.4 or before. If Australia forces its way too much it may have drastic economic effect on Australian economy. I don't think Australia can realistically host World Cup we've seen in Korea and Japan at the level we've witnessed. Seriously, admit it!!! I don't care what you respond. You know this is the truth. This is just another escape route of Soccer Australia to run away from the REAL issues to be resolved. This is just a stunt act to deviate the attention away from the pathetic state of Australian soccer at present, and perhaps provide unreachable dream to lengthen the office of top heads in SA.

[LakesidePark]

http://www.socceraustralia.com.au/homepage/default.sps

It seems that New South Wales and Victoria want Australia 2014. But what about other states???

UEFA and CONMEBOL are great. You see emerging powers from CAF, AFC, and CONCACAF. Oceania is the last frontier of world football.

I'd love to watch WCQs among Japan, Korea, and Australia, and I want you guys to participate in the World Cup. I really do! Because it's the World Cup! If the event can boost the game in this realm, it must be good for the game. Spreading football worldwide is the primary objective of FIFA, you know.

But can you do it?
FOX Sports World tells me that Aussie Football and Rugby are hurting the development of Soccer Australia.

[Maczebus]

Originally posted by Korea_Fighting
[BI mean, are you seriously thinking to get away with using cricket grounds for soccer World Cup???
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Cricket grounds would never be used.
The playing surface takes years to make perfect.
Rugby and Aussie Rule grounds would be upgraded and used if anything.

However I agree with you on most things.
I really don't think it's a good idea to give the cup to Australia for the forseeable future.
A better first step would be to give the national team chance to prove itself by letting it qualify in the AFC WC process.
A good showing at a WC (or even qualifying for one) would do wonders for a future bid, by persuading people like me that don't agree with the WC being given to a country simply because it hasn't been there before.

[Craig the Aussie]

It ia all just a publicity stunt. There are state elections coming up.

[sammydog]

I disagree that the bid is because of state elections coming up. It looks like victoria have been looking at it for a while and have used Sepp Blatters visit for publicity.

Korea_Fighting
I agree that Soccer Australia runs from the real issues but they have had nothing to do with this bid. I hope that if nothing else this bid forces change with in the organisation.

[DoyleG]

Originally posted by Craig the Aussie
It ia all just a publicity stunt. There are state elections coming up.

How are the ruiling parties doing in the state elections?

[yellowbismark]

The World Cup in Australia might help springboard the games popularity to levels like Japan and Korea (and might even get that league going if they manage to build a few stadiums too)..

I'm all for it. I'd rather Australia get an automatic birth that way, instead of giving Oceania a full spot.

[DoyleG]

Originally posted by yellowbismark
The World Cup in Australia might help springboard the games popularity to levels like Japan and Korea (and might even get that league going if they manage to build a few stadiums too)..

I'm all for it. I'd rather Australia get an automatic birth that way, instead of giving Oceania a full spot.

The NSL has some good stadiums. Most of the stadiums that could be used for a World Cup in Australia are already there.

A full spot would only help Oceania. Imagine if a country like Fiji topped the confrence and was told they would have to go into the lion's den to get to the tournament.

That would turn off a lot of supporters.

[Craig the Aussie]

Few NSL stadia would be of FIFA class. Hindmarsh Stadium in Adelaide & Parramatta Stadium in Sydney (shared with Rugby League) are OK, but their capacities are too small. Lang Park in Brisbane would be probably be all right following renovations.

The existing grounds that could be used would be:

Melboune:
MCG (Aussie Rules)
Docklands (Aussie Rules)

Sydney:
Olympic Stadium (All codes)
Football Stadium (Rugby League)

Adelaide:
Football Park (Aussie Rules)

Perth:
Subiaco Oval (Aussie Rules)

Brisbane:
ANZ Stadium (Rugby League)
Lang Park

Canberra:
Canberra Stadium (Rugby League & Union)

The problem is getting access to the grounds in the middle of the Aussie Rules & Rugby seasons - not just for the duration of the WC, but for 2 months beforehand to prepare the grass to acceptable standard. I can't see other sports just walking away.

It's not gunna happen anyway.

[DoyleG]

What about Colonial in Melbourne or the Sydney Cricket Grounds?

[Craig the Aussie]

Colonial is Docklands (actually it's official name now is TelstraDome, as the Colonial sponsorship was taken out by Telstra).

I hate sponsored names so I try to steer away from them. Otherwise Football Park would be AAMI Stadium, the Olympic Stadium would be Telstra Stadium, Lang Park would be Suncorp Stadium etc

The SCG is Aussie Rules territory, and the Football Stadium next door would be a better venue - same capacity but rectangular rather than round.

[BrianJ 22]

YEAH!

[Maczebus]

OK, here's the point.

Suppose OFC get given a WC spot. Then further suppose that Australia are given a WC to host.
I know this wouldn't happen at the same WC but...

Oceania would have the automatic host spot (eg 2014), would that result in the rest of the OFC getting no spots whatsoever? (After all Germany's spot in 2006 comes from the UEFA allocation) I doubt it.
Would they be given a further 0.5 of a spot to placate the rest of the OFC or a full one?
In which case it's more than likely that both Australia and NZ would be there. 2 teams from Oceania? I can't see many people liking that.

Just a stream of consciousness involving a question at some point.

[DoyleG]

Originally posted by maczebus
OK, here's the point.

Suppose OFC get given a WC spot. Then further suppose that Australia are given a WC to host.
I know this wouldn't happen at the same WC but...

Oceania would have the automatic host spot (eg 2014), would that result in the rest of the OFC getting no spots whatsoever? (After all Germany's spot in 2006 comes from the UEFA allocation) I doubt it.
Would they be given a further 0.5 of a spot to placate the rest of the OFC or a full one?
In which case it's more than likely that both Australia and NZ would be there. 2 teams from Oceania? I can't see many people liking that.

Just a stream of consciousness involving a question at some point.

It would be back to a playoff. As with CONCACAF in 1994 and UEFA in 1986.

[Auxodium]

I know this is very old but i want to make a comment on why the Australian bid was a complete failure. The NSW government made a bid and according to FIFA, the whole nation through now the ASA and the Australian government must agree and make a unified bid. 2014 will be in Argentina so they will be hoping for the 2018 cup. I think then it will be Oceania's time to host one with FIFA granting Australia as hosts due to FIFA stating that there will be no joint cups any more.

[Andy TAUS]

Originally posted by Korea_Fighting
- Both Korea and Japan qualified for World Cup scence recently
- Both Korea and Japan built about 18 NEW stadia. Korea built TEN NEW stadia out of which are 8 SOCCER-ONLY STADIA. Japan to a lesser degree.
- I would think all three countries have economic capability to host World Cup, BUT I don't think Australian economy can handle building at new venues. I mean, are you seriously thinking to get away with using cricket grounds for soccer World Cup???
- Footballing market in Korea and Japan are significantly larger than Australia.
- Asian federation is significantly more influential than OFC.
- Korea has 'rich' footballing history in WC scene. Australia... well...
- Japan has economic power that is top two in the World. Australia is developed country but compared to Japan in terms of economic influence... well?

I think if Australia ever gets to host the World Cup it won't be at 2.0.1.4 or before. If Australia forces its way too much it may have drastic economic effect on Australian economy. I don't think Australia can realistically host World Cup we've seen in Korea and Japan at the level we've witnessed. Seriously, admit it!!! I don't care what you respond. You know this is the truth. This is just another escape route of Soccer Australia to run away from the REAL issues to be resolved. This is just a stunt act to deviate the attention away from the pathetic state of Australian soccer at present, and perhaps provide unreachable dream to lengthen the office of top heads in SA. Korea_Fighting,

Korea & Japan did not qualify for the WC recently. They were granted admission to the finals as JOINT HOSTS.

In 1974 AUS beat KOREA to get to that WC. How's that for rich footballing history !

You should try hard to use your brain more often !!!

One comment perhaps you should try to absorb - the Sydney 2000 Olympics was bigger than any Football World Cup.

End of story.

Andy T.

[Crowdie]

The reality is that by the time the OFC got its chance to host the WC by the rotation system UEFA and SA would revoke the rotation system so that they could host again. The WC is all about the millions it brings to the countries. It has not been about football for a long, long time. A country's footballing history is only of interest to FIFA if it can be converted into dollars.

Crowdie

[Auxodium]

Yes it is all about the dollars but OFC will at least get 1 then remove the rotation system. in 10 yeas or 15 they will remove it.

[Crowdie]

Originally posted by Glorious_Fan
Yes it is all about the dollars but OFC will at least get 1 then remove the rotation system. in 10 yeas or 15 they will remove it.

You have more faith than me. I believe that when Blatter is removed the rotation system will go with him. The countries already allocated WCs will get them but unallocated WCs will go back to the old system.

Crowdie

[CelticOnFire]

What months would it be played?