Bruce working to expedite Freddy's citizenship

[flanoverseas]

Originally posted by maczebus


Everyone doesn't keep saying that.
I did a bit ago, but I admit to using slight hyperbole when stating such a thing.
I realise it maybe taken literally by some.
All i meant when saying that, was that there seemed to be a distinct amount of pressure on him to succeed or at least provide success for the future national team.
People don't agree that that is the case, so fine.
A lot of people have read between lines that weren't even written. Why do you hate the U.S. team so much? ;)

[Bruce S]

Originally posted by maczebus


Everyone doesn't keep saying that.
I did a bit ago, but I admit to using slight hyperbole when stating such a thing.
I realise it maybe taken literally by some.
All i meant when saying that, was that there seemed to be a distinct amount of pressure on him to succeed or at least provide success for the future national team.
People don't agree that that is the case, so fine.
A lot of people have read between lines that weren't even written.
everyone all over the world once a young kid from their country to be the next Maradona, Pele, Ronaldo. Nothing wrong with that!

[superdave]

Originally posted by drnlm
So it isn't really that unusual for a 12 year old kid to be that heavy.
You should look at the link earlier in this thread to a weight/height graph. If Freddy was, in fact, 135 lbs at age 12, that makes him among the heaviest kids in his age group. And common sense tells you that many of the kids bigger are going to be fatties. And common sense is going to tell you a soccer player is going to be slim.

[monster]

Originally posted by flanoverseas
will you pay attention, and stop putting words into my posts! NOWHERE did I say citizenships are bought and sold.

Money influences things, and there are people in high places who would like to see this guy get citizenship. It's NOT going to hurt, and it is far from a silly suggestion.


I don't know what I have to do to get on your level. Maybe you could try reading my posts.

I have been, to the detriment of my intelligence. You don't say they are "bought and sold" but phrases like "money opens doors" and crap like that sure show a huge inferrence to people involved with soccer being able to buy Freddy's Mom her papers (because if you didn't know, it's about his Mom, not him.)

And if these great powers of influence will get Freddy to the promised land, why the hell hasn't it worked before? Huh? Why hasn't Soccer House - which can't even organize its own events properly - taken advantage of this powerful tool before?

"High places?" Like who? Anschutz, who has been loathe to use his friendship with Bush before? MLS which still can't get a decent TV rights deal? USSF, which is facing multiple lawsuits for its business practices?

BTW, my level is reality, where citizenship is a long process that isn't easily changed by how good a soccer player someone is. I think you're fighting a losing battle here, son.

[dark knight]

I thought Regis was expedited. See Haig's post a couple of pages back.

[monster]

Originally posted by dark knight
I thought Regis was expedited. See Haig's post a couple of pages back.

Regis was expedited because of a loophole in the law, not influence according to any report I could find online.

"David Regis, a native of France, recently became a U.S. citizen, so he could play for the U.S. World Cup soccer team. His citizenship application was expedited under a provision of the Immigration and Naturalization Act benefiting individual's with a US citizen spouse living abroad and employed by the U.S. Government, an American research institution or and American corporation that promotes foreign trade and commerce. Regis's wife met the criteria. Because the normal waiting period for a citizenship application can take years and INS is currently backlogged with millions of applications, some criticized Regis' ability to bypass the lines."

http://www.visalaw.com/98jun/6jun98.html

The fishy part was that someone affiliated with the USSF gave her a job so he cold meet the requirement.

http://www.canoe.ca/SoccerWCColumnsArchive/jun14_taylor.html

This was all done legally. Llamosa was waiting for citizenship at the same time and din't get it for WC 98. This wasn't influence or money "opening doors" or "calling in a favor."

[mikesterw]

These threads are why I like bigsoccer so much. What ever happens with the kid happens, it would be great to see him blossom into something wonderful, but if he doesn't, it will just be a bit dissappointing to a few hundred maybe thousand people here on BS. What is the status of Freddies parents, are they citizens, permanent residents. As a former INS employee, It could be possible that he already is a citizen, depending on a few factors. Also, it takes someone real big to get a favor with INS, not something that I see happening with USSF. Just my .02 though.

[flanoverseas]

Originally posted by monster

BTW, my level is reality, where citizenship is a long process that isn't easily changed by how good a soccer player someone is. I think you're fighting a losing battle here, son. followed by:The fishy part was that someone affiliated with the USSF gave her (Régis' wife) a job so he cold meet the requirement.

This wasn't influence or money "opening doors" or "calling in a favor."So it just happened? No one influenced anyone?

I don't have to fight any battles, you do my research and win them for me. Thanks.

As far as Soccer house and T.V. rights are concerned, that is not at all analagous to ONE person or family's citizenship being expedited. I'm not going to waste a bunch of time explaining to you why because you'll just say that you disagree and follow it with childish retorts like "pu-leeze" and "huh?", or just throw in an insult, which as I've noticed in a lot of your posts, you like to resort to.

Just to say it for the FOURTH time. Money opens doors, if you don't think so, your level is not reality.

Why do you think the United States wields so much power in the world? It is because it is the richest nation in the worl - from agriculture to zeconomics.

[monster]

How did they "influence" if they followed the letter of the law? You can't accept the fact that you live in some never-never land. No rich people opened doors. The USSF found a loophole. That's not influence. That's smarts.

I've provided facts. A former INS empoyee has said you are wrong. You just keep saying, "but, but, but people have money."

This kid has been a known quantity for years. He has been in ODP since 1999.(http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2001-08-24-focus-adu.htm). "The U.S. Soccer Federation is especially interested in this protégé, ever since the organization noticed him a couple of years ago." - USA Today, 8/24/01

So where have these influential people been? Huh? He has already been reported to be on track for citizenship, via his mother, this year. "Freddy Adu said he has decided he will become a U.S. citizen when eligible next year and wants to play internationally for this country." - Washngton Post, 8/24/01

Why haven't these favors been called in yet? Huh? Huh? I don't hear you.

[flanoverseas]

Originally posted by monster
How did they "influence" if they followed the letter of the law? You can't accept the fact that you live in some never-never land. No rich people opened doors. The USSF found a loophole. That's not influence. That's smarts.

I've provided facts. A former INS empoyee has said you are wrong. You just keep saying, "but, but, but people have money."

This kid has been a known quantity for years. He has been in ODP since 1999.(http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2001-08-24-focus-adu.htm). "The U.S. Soccer Federation is especially interested in this protégé, ever since the organization noticed him a couple of years ago." - USA Today, 8/24/01

So where have these influential people been? Huh? He has already been reported to be on track for citizenship, via his mother, this year. "Freddy Adu said he has decided he will become a U.S. citizen when eligible next year and wants to play internationally for this country." - Washngton Post, 8/24/01

Why haven't these favors been called in yet? Huh? Huh? I don't hear you. They influenced it by giving her a job. YOU SAID THAT!

Seriously, you are a teenage girl aren't you. Insecurity is the thing that comes to mind when you keep wanting to say "I win".

How about this for influence: I'll give you 10bucks if you go away.

[flanoverseas]

Originally posted by monster
How did they "influence" if they followed the letter of the law? You can't accept the fact that you live in some never-never land. No rich people opened doors. The USSF found a loophole. That's not influence. That's smarts.

I've provided facts. A former INS empoyee has said you are wrong. You just keep saying, "but, but, but people have money."

This kid has been a known quantity for years. He has been in ODP since 1999.(http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2001-08-24-focus-adu.htm). "The U.S. Soccer Federation is especially interested in this protégé, ever since the organization noticed him a couple of years ago." - USA Today, 8/24/01

So where have these influential people been? Huh? He has already been reported to be on track for citizenship, via his mother, this year. "Freddy Adu said he has decided he will become a U.S. citizen when eligible next year and wants to play internationally for this country." - Washngton Post, 8/24/01

Why haven't these favors been called in yet? Huh? Huh? I don't hear you. All I EFFING said is that money helps, you stupid, stupid boy. I never said it was a guarantee. Why you keeping wanting to write my posts, I have not idea.

Are you telling me that the Adu family is receiving the same amount of help from other U.S. citizens as all other immigrants to the U.S.? Of course not! The Adu's are being helped along by a number of people, including Bruce Arena. Do you think that he is just there for moral support? Do you think that he has said he wants to help, knowing that there is nothing he can do to help?

I'm done with you.

[monster]

And you are done because you haven't proven a thing. They "influenced" the Regis case by following the law.

As I pointed out to you in a PM, the USSF has been watching Freddy Adu for three years. It normally takes at least three years, if I am not mistaken, for the citizenship process to take place.

So where is this influence? Where are these favors? Where is all the extra help in this case?

As for your assertation that Bruce Arena is going to help the citizenship process, I suggest you take a look at how much influence the national team coach has in any matter, much less something as serious as citizenship.

I just want you to answer these questions: If they are so powerful and can push through citizenships, why did Llamosa miss out on WC 98? Why did Cunningham take so long? Why did Mastroeni not get rushed through? Why isn't Kovalenko at the front of the line?

I eagerly await your answers.

[monster]

Originally posted by flanoverseas
All I EFFING said is that money helps, you stupid, stupid boy.

I thought I was a girl? :D

Facts talk.

[dark knight]

Flan - Please stop the personal stuff.

[passtheblizz]

Firstly I would like to say that I played against Michael Owen in Wales when I was sixteen. He was fourteen and he was amazing. He was playing for Liverpool's U-16 squad, and they whooped up on my team. Owen scored seven goals, and there were a bunch of people there to warch him. He was most certainly considered at that age to be almost a savior, along with Robbie Fowler who was a few years older. While I haven't seen Adu play a single minute, it is hard not to believe that he won't be a factor in the future. Considering the level of youth play in this country, for a fourteen-year-old to be a star amongst players purportedly three years older at the highest level means something special. There is every indication that he could play at this moment in the MLS, but it makes a lot more sense for him to go abroad. He is not Donovan, or Twellman, he is Freddy Adu and there is no substitute for guidance under an established European club's supervision. Look an John O'Brien. He is clearly the most skilled player that we have, and it is because he went throught the system at Ajax. As long as Freddy is a citizen here, he should spend at least a few years abroad(Inter would be fine). If he isn't a sensation, he can return successfully as both Donovan and Twellman did. He realistically has probably eight years until his WC debut, although it IS possible that he could make the squad in '06... And he might really be sixteen right now for all we know so that would make it even more feasable.

[flanoverseas]

sorry for calling you stupid. I changed it to silly in an edit, but it must not of held.


I said I was done, but, I just said that.Originally posted by monster
And you are done because you haven't proven a thing. They "influenced" the Regis case by following the law.And by giving his wife a job, allowing them to follow the law, as you pointed out.
As I pointed out to you in a PM, the USSF has been watching Freddy Adu for three years. It normally takes at least three years, if I am not mistaken, for the citizenship process to take place.
You're mistaken. It takes five years of permanent residence to get citizenship, exceptions being those married to military at certain times.

Someone's working for the Adu family, unless Mrs. Adu is married to someone from the military. Just because everything remains legal doesn't mean there hasn't been influence.

[monster]

When you can back that up. I'd love to see it. Rich.

[jmeissen0]

Originally posted by superdave

You should look at the link earlier in this thread to a weight/height graph. If Freddy was, in fact, 135 lbs at age 12, that makes him among the heaviest kids in his age group. And common sense tells you that many of the kids bigger are going to be fatties. And common sense is going to tell you a soccer player is going to be slim.

figured you would put your snout in this one



you didn't happen to catch the little league world series did ya?

damn, i was kinda hoping you had

you might have seen some kids bigger than freddie... but then they would have been older than freddie's "real" age of 15 or 16 then... wouldn't they?

:rolleyes:


so many things to pick apart, best just to let you put your foot in your mouth though

[mattgabe]

Freddy Adu really seems to ignite the beast within the Bigsoccer community -- almost as much as ABMOD... :)

If I were Freddy, even though I actually am Freddy Adu, I'd be pretty flattered by all the attention.

[superdave]

Originally posted by flanoverseas
You're mistaken. It takes five years of permanent residence to get citizenship, exceptions being those married to military at certain times.

According to articles we've all seen, the Adus moved here in '98. Which means next year will be 5 years.