View Full Version : Steve Davis: 2018 Bid a Longshot
dark knight
24 Feb 2007, 05:05 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=410459&root=us&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab7pos2&cc=3888
thespian89
24 Feb 2007, 05:14 PM
Hello 2014.
Edit: For some reason I think the intention from USSF was never really to get the 2018 World Cup but more to reaffirm to FIFA that we're here come 2014.
shinzui
24 Feb 2007, 05:22 PM
This just seems to be opinion by Steve Davis, nothing more. One fact overlooked. All nations in all confederations have one vote in the site selection process and UEFA only has 25% of all the votes. Even if all of UEFA votes as a bloc that's still a lot of other votes.
FCmagic01
24 Feb 2007, 06:10 PM
The only chance of one if the USA is it not being allowed to go to England due to Hooliganism. I know that was huge in Germany, England always seems to be in the middle of that stuff.
dark knight
24 Feb 2007, 06:13 PM
The only chance of one if the USA is it not being allowed to go to England due to Hooliganism. I know that was huge in Germany, England always seems to be in the middle of that stuff.
Do you mean the World Cup not being allowed?
england66
24 Feb 2007, 08:46 PM
The only chance of one if the USA is it not being allowed to go to England due to Hooliganism. I know that was huge in Germany, England always seems to be in the middle of that stuff.
not lately they haven't been.....The Italians and the French have taken over.
Ringo
24 Feb 2007, 08:49 PM
yeah ... but I remember seeing A LOT of pictures of drunken English fans being led off in handcuffs come over the wire. not saying they're all like that or anything ....
england66
24 Feb 2007, 08:54 PM
yeah ... but I remember seeing A LOT of pictures of drunken English fans being led off in handcuffs come over the wire. not saying they're all like that or anything ....
Bullshit. I took my 5 kids to several games at the 1996 euro championships at Anfield and Old Trafford....there were ZERO problems. These days its the rest of europe that has problems NOT England. NO WAY the USA gets it in 2018 over England. NO WAY.
FC Uptown
24 Feb 2007, 09:30 PM
Bullshit. I took my 5 kids to several games at the 1996 euro championships at Anfield and Old Trafford....there were ZERO problems. These days its the rest of europe that has problems NOT England. NO WAY the USA gets it in 2018 over England. NO WAY.
I think you are right on 2018, so what is the reason for the US bid?
Is the bid (like the article suggests) more aimed at 2014 and Columbia's collapse?
FirstStar
25 Feb 2007, 08:35 AM
yeah ... but I remember seeing A LOT of pictures of drunken English fans being led off in handcuffs come over the wire. not saying they're all like that or anything ....
Outside of Scandinavia, English soccer is pretty much the safest in Europe. They cracked down on those problems a while ago (including using undercover agents to bust up hooligan organizations). The rest of Europe could learn a lot from the example.
The happy side-effect is that once they stamped it out at home, most of the trouble with the national team went away too (although I believe the English government still revokes passports during English internationals for a select list of trouble-makers).
Ringo
25 Feb 2007, 10:08 AM
Bullshit.
noooo ... especially since your response was to something completely different than what I posted. at the world cup in germany there were many pictures, every day, that came over of drunk and disorderly fans being arrested. many (more than any other country) were English.
I didn't say anything about the 1996 Euros (huh???). Didn't say who was getting the cup (what?!?). Just said that the problem isn't solved.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200863,00.html
yes, the problems ARE worse elsewhere in Europe, which I also didn't disagree with or even mention. I'm just saying SOME english fans are still out there earning their reputation.
garnet&blackattack
25 Feb 2007, 11:53 AM
i think we'll still the 2014 bid away from Brazil anyway.
shinzui
25 Feb 2007, 12:56 PM
I just don't see UEFA being able to strong arm a bid for England in the voting process just because Platini is a nice guy. Federations like South Korea, Japan, and most in CONMEBOL and CONCACAF are likely to favor a U.S. bid due to the ease of travel to the U.S. for their fans, and the huge immigrant populations here.
It will get even more complicated should an AFC team also put in a quality bid.
Prenn
25 Feb 2007, 01:13 PM
noooo ... especially since your response was to something completely different than what I posted. at the world cup in germany there were many pictures, every day, that came over of drunk and disorderly fans being arrested. many (more than any other country) were English.
I didn't say anything about the 1996 Euros (huh???). Didn't say who was getting the cup (what?!?). Just said that the problem isn't solved.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200863,00.html
yes, the problems ARE worse elsewhere in Europe, which I also didn't disagree with or even mention. I'm just saying SOME english fans are still out there earning their reputation.
*sigh* not this **** again.
Those were what the German Police were calling 'preventative arrests'. If a problem looked to be developing rather than just remove the trouble makers they removed everyone in the vicinity. This was going on throughout the tournament with fans from every country but it's only when it involves England fans does the media whip up a frenzy :rolleyes: I can't begin to describe what a non-story this is.
TrueCrew
25 Feb 2007, 01:27 PM
I thought FIFA had adopted a "rotation" policy for the WC. I must confess I don't know what are the conditions of this policy? Does this mean the WC goes to Europe every other time, and a rotation between the other Confederatioins in the off years?
If this is true, or if the other confederations get MORE Cups, North America is still going to get a WC before Asia and Africa get another one. We haven't had one since '94, while Asia hosted in '02, and Africa in '10.
Thus, the only possible Confederations we'd have to worry about in '18 are UEFA and Oceania (with Australila now absent).
I don't see a credible bid from another Asian nation, plus, the just had the WC in '02. Aside from Japan/Korea, the other soccer powers are: Saudi Arabia and Iran. WC in Iran? Suadi Arabia? Please! No chance of that at all (thank God). The only other contender would be China. And they stink so bad they don't deserve a Cup.
On the bright side, if we lose in 2018 and Brazil comes through in 2014, we should be in line in 2022, as it would be North America's "turn". Only countries with a chance are Mexcio and the US.
P.S. In Germany, there was not a large problem with Hooliganism, but what problems there were were largely English. However, nowdays, English Hooliganism is more of a problem OUTSIDE England, as they have done a good job cracking down inside the Isles.
Prenn
25 Feb 2007, 02:16 PM
P.S. In Germany, there was not a large problem with Hooliganism, but what problems there were were largely English. However, nowdays, English Hooliganism is more of a problem OUTSIDE England, as they have done a good job cracking down inside the Isles.
Yes, let's blame the English for virtually every hooligan problem in Germany :rolleyes:
Isles? :rolleyes:
MarioKempes
25 Feb 2007, 02:42 PM
Isles? :rolleyes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles
AndyMead
25 Feb 2007, 02:48 PM
Hello 2014.
Edit: For some reason I think the intention from USSF was never really to get the 2018 World Cup but more to reaffirm to FIFA that we're here come 2014.
Or to practice for 2022.
sidefootsitter
25 Feb 2007, 02:56 PM
Or to practice for 2022.
Or to offer the possible replacement for 2,010 and 2,014 ... "just in case things go wrong, I hope you guys know we're always there" ...
AndyMead
25 Feb 2007, 03:02 PM
Yes, let's blame the English for virtually every hooligan problem in Germany :rolleyes:
The only outright violence I was aware of in Germany (I was there for five weeks) was after the Poland/Germany game, mainly with some Polish fans.
That said, there was definitely an unsavory aspect from a segment of England fans - that definitely faded as the tournament unfolded.
After the Paraguay game, drunken England fans surrounded and beat on public buses in Frankfurt while singing about shooting down German bombers. (http://www.ibiblio.org/footy/2006wc/0610_eng_par_ajm.php?page=2)
But they were a minority of England fans, and fortunately none of the Germans, nor the police forces, reacted.
Having attended 40 World Cup finals games in Korea and Germany, the only two sets of fans that I was concerned about my safety by being around were the Poles in Korea and the English in Germany.
And frankly, the German hospitality seemed to really win over the England fans as the tournament progressed as the public singing about shooting down German bombers all but came to an end. In fact, I watched both the Ecuador and Portugal games from the heart of the England sections.
So, yeah, there really weren't problems in Germany - but there were some unsavory aspects, especially early in the tournament.
I went to the first two games in Nuremberg. The Mexico/Iran game was a festival inside and outside of the stadium. The England/Trinidad had a very unfriendly, tense, "let's hope nobody goes ballistic" feel. While not worth going overboard about, it's equally disingenuous to pretend it didn't exist.